Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I think we all knew this was coming but surprising that she announces it before the election, the over 60s tend to be the largest group to vote and nobody likes free money taken away whether they need it or not.
Very few tory voting pensioners will change their allegiance because of this.
Before any policy announcement the tories use focus groups extensively, they know which buttons to press.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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We all know in this election it is about whether Jeremy or Theresa is the best prospect to lead the Brexit negotiations. There is something very wrong in the party when the hard core Labour voter decides to vote elsewhere.
The real question is who will these long term Labour voters choose in the next General Election.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I think we all knew this was coming but surprising that she announces it before the election, the over 60s tend to be the largest group to vote and nobody likes free money taken away whether they need it or not.
This shows that the woman has integrity and is prepared to be honest with voters, most leaders would keep quiet about something like this and wait for the Queen's Speech to make such an intention known.
I would like to see the bus pass targeted next maybe with the more affluent oldies possibly paying less than full fare.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:We all know in this election it is about whether Jeremy or Theresa is the best prospect to lead the Brexit negotiations. There is something very wrong in the party when the hard core Labour voter decides to vote elsewhere.
The real question is who will these long term Labour voters choose in the next General Election.
I have no confidence in either securing us a good exit deal, the EU negotiators will have Mrs Merkel looking over their shoulders to ensure they give no ground. The PM clearly wants the election to be about Brexit, it is up to Jezza and his team to concentrate on domestic matters in order to keep the score down.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I have no confidence in either securing us a good exit deal, the EU negotiators will have Mrs Merkel looking over their shoulders to ensure they give no ground. The PM clearly wants the election to be about Brexit, it is up to Jezza and his team to concentrate on domestic matters in order to keep the score down.
What do you consider to be "a good exit deal"?
And who would you like to be leading negotiations?
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Post #539.Why do you keep referring to "Foreigners"? I object to xenophobic terms being used.
I was the Voting Counting Agent for Vote Leave at the Referendum Count at Dover Town Hall on the 23rdJune 2016.
My main aim is and still is,to regain sovereignty for my country.
If you want to blame someone for why you lost the referendum ,blame me.
Not my fellow citizens, whether they are newcomers or not.
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Peter James wrote:Post #539.Why do you keep referring to "Foreigners"? I object to xenophobic terms being used.
And whatever is wrong with a healthy bit of xenophobia? In evolutionary terms wariness in dealing with the 'other' seems to worked pretty well so far and as for an 'irrational fear' try telling that to an American Red Indian or whatever we are allowed to call them nowadays.
Personally I've always quite liked the idea that England is a place inhabited by the English mostly just as Europe is inhabited mainly by Europeans. If you talk to the nationals of most countries other than the PC self loathing inhabitants of Europe you will tend to find this view.
I suspect that if you went to some dreadful African hell-hole like Lagos and explained that it was hideously black and their life would be enriched by having a third of their population flown in from all over the world within a generation they would soon tell you where to go!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Freedom of movement was about fourth in importance to me in deciding to vote leave. Always struck me as odd that a qualified Doctor or Dentist from the Indian sub continent has to jump through hoops to get here despite us needing them yet anyone from an EU country could waltz in without any criminal record checks or knowledge of our language. Freedom of movement was great before the new states joined in as most countries had a fairly similar standard of living so movement of citizens was more about furthering careers and mastering another language.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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I thought freedom of movement was all about Brits being able to spend their equity on a second home in warmer climes.
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The more I read about all of them ,I say to myself we was right not to vote for any of them.
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Excellent. ID needed to vote proposed in Tory manifesto. (Like Labour introduced in Northrn Ireland years ago!)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Excellent. ID needed to vote proposed in Tory manifesto. (Like Labour introduced in Northrn Ireland years ago!)
About time too although the situation is nothing like how things were in the six counties when it was introduced there.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:About time too although the situation is nothing like how things were in the six counties when it was introduced there.
Next let's do something about the scandal of the 'postal vote' in places like Sylhet West i.e. Tower Hamlets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/election-fraud-allowed-to-take-place-in-muslim-communities-becau/'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
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That used to go on in Ilford when I lived there, a self appointed community leader would tell Pakistanis and Bangla Deshis to apply for postal votes then give the ballot slips to him. Hardly a big secret either.
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Post #550.Brits have Always moved to warmer climes before the EU was even thought of.I know that it is a shock or bizarre to the Remainer guys but the world did exist before 1973.
Most of the greatest writers including Gerard Durrell lived in Greece, France, Italy.
Many a Spaniard,French or Italian have become property millionaires selling their casas,gittes ,shacks to dopey Brits.
Ialy.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bloody foringers ,still 99% of brits are bloody foringers any way,dont moan at me try getting your d.n.a tested before you shout out aload.
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Brian Dixon wrote:bloody foringers ,still 99% of brits are bloody foringers any way,dont moan at me try getting your d.n.a tested before you shout out aload.
Sir I share 99% of my genes with a mouse but this does not make me a mouse.
As George Wigg, Labour MP for Dudley pointed out in Parliament 'Wogs begin in Calais'.
And all Brits are NOT foreigners by any stretch of the imagination. The greatest infestation of foreign nationals historically was with the Norman conquests with an addition of 5% at most. It is precisely BECAUSE we have had so few foreigners historically settling here that something like the Huguenot refugees are remembered hundreds of years later, and they, being both white and Christian did not exactly turn where they settled into interbreeding ghettos.
I DO wish people would not make up this pretend history of us 'all being a bit foreign' as it just did not happen.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:bloody foringers ,still 99% of brits are bloody foringers any way,dont moan at me try getting your d.n.a tested before you shout out aload.
Captain Haddock wrote:I DO wish people would not make up this pretend history of us 'all being a bit foreign' as it just did not happen.
If you are born in Britain you are British regardless of what country your parents or even older generations originated from. Many if not most of us are from a foreign origin unless you can trace your family tree back to before the Vikings invaded.
Who really cares where we originated from so long as we can speak the language and understand each other.
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Button- Location: Dover
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I've always felt sorry for the French in Calais - had Mme Miggins been able to last another 90 minutes of labour on't ferry, her child could've been born British (English even) and thus practically perfect in every way.
(Not my real name.)
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The Bishop wrote:In 1945, Clement Attlee put forward a manifesto that produced the Welfare State. Workers' rights, the NHS, Social Security, protection against the Zero Hours Contracts of its day (for docker workers in particular), 900+ Primary schools were built, social housing (dare I say council housing) went into overdrive and all this in the wake of post-WWII bankruptcy. If you ever went to a state school, have used an NHS hospital or service (perhaps only in your birth), have benefited from your workers' rights including getting sick pay when you were too ill to attend work. (I could go on, but I won't...) Then you need to know that nobody else has freely given these to you. These, among others, were brought in by Labour's surprise landslide election victory in 1945 - transforming Britain by 1950. The Tories want to dismantle the successors of these but are having to covertly chip away at their removal over a length of time. As Tony Benn famously said, and I paraphrase, The way a government treats refugees is very informative, because it tells you how they would treat the rest of us if they could get away with it. I'll be voting, unsurprisingly, for Labour, warts and all. Partly because of the original Corbyn 10 pledges, and absolutely because of its 2017 manifesto.
the only reason the people got housing and the NHS and the rest ,,in 1945 was the rich and powerful had never been closer to losing it all.
the people were battle hardened and armed to the teeth.
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