Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Peter James wrote:Comrade Bishop. Thanks for the history lecture.Surprised you didn't mention in your summary of the last 71 years. The Labour government 1997-2010 using 221 private finance initiatives to fund the NHS, leaving the NHS in crippling £222 Billion debt.
You mention Tony Benn a political giant compared to political pygmies like Corbyn Thornberry,Abbott etc
You mention refugees, again you don't mention that the UK is one of the highest payers of overseas aid.
Yes, I feel passionately about this and, though I don't wish to come across as lecturer.
Apologies for the tone but not the content.
I agree with you on the PFI issue. New Labour, in my opinion, was not Labour of old or of the new leadership. As for the crippling NHS debt, please see the graph.
Foreign aid = does the aid go directly to those in need or to their governments/'aid' agencies?
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"As Tony Benn famously said, and I paraphrase, The way a government treats refugees is very informative, because it tells you how they would treat the rest of us if they could get away with it."
Yeah right. I've just returned from an evening listening to Douglas Murray talking, at the Henry Jackson Society where he is an Associate Director and I am a member, about his latest book (
http://www.entertainment-focus.com/book-section/book-reviews/douglas-murray-the-strange-death-of-europe-review/ )and taking a Q&A afterwards. As he pointed out, if an advisor had said to Enoch Powell, before his 'notorious' rivers of blood speech in 1968, that in the 2011 census over a third of London residents (36.7%) would have been BORN abroad he would have viewed such a forecast as ridiculous and indeed inflammatory.
Perhaps the odd beheading and FGM, to name but two 'cultural differences', are a reasonable price to pay for a wider choice of cuisine throughout Europe? Personally, I think not.
(Interestingly the book is already sold out on Amazon and while I was talking to him afterwards he had a message saying that in Brighton of all places all copies have been sold!)
I believe Isaiah 11:8 had something to say on the subject?
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Comrade Bishop. I don't know how old you are?It is obvious that you remember 1945.When our country was in ashes.
I agree that Water shouldn't be privatised but it's a different time. Most of the water, electricity are owned by French and German shareholders including their governments.
I used to work in the Nuclear power industry, for British Energy.The last nationalised utility. British Energy was sold to EDF in 2008 for bargain basement price by the Labour Energy Minister. That Minister was Ed Miliband. EDF is partly owned by the French government.
Your aims maybe noble but they won't happen.
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Another case of statistics showing what you want them to show and one reason never to trust them. I suspect we could all show a graph that puts our favourite party in a positive light.
In this case Labour spending under Blair goes though the proverbial roof but was that money spent wisely or blown on fancy new offices and management. If it was spent properly surely the NHS would be in a better state than it appears to be in now which to me suggests most of it went to the wrong areas.
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Post #522 .According to your graphics Major spent almost the same for 5 years as Blair in Health spending. Your graph doesn't mention PFIS. Your point is?
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The NHS will be interesting to watch post election. For all we bang on about "they need us more than we need them", the truth is, we aren't exactly a golden investment opportunity apart from London property. However, the one thing that every country will want their hands on in any trade deal, is the NHS. That will be the harsh reality facing leavers in Labour heartlands when they realise that their irrational dislike of foreigners, turns in to a fully privatized NHS in just the same way as utilities and Rail are now, and parliamentary time given to things like fox hunting.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Neil Moors wrote:The NHS will be interesting to watch post election. For all we bang on about "they need us more than we need them", the truth is, we aren't exactly a golden investment opportunity apart from London property. However, the one thing that every country will want their hands on in any trade deal, is the NHS. That will be the harsh reality facing leavers in Labour heartlands when they realise that their irrational dislike of foreigners, turns in to a fully privatized NHS in just the same way as utilities and Rail are now, and parliamentary time given to things like fox hunting.
This post sums up why the Tories are going to win a massive majority.
If Labour supporters wish to woo voters they mustn't suggest they have an "irrational dislike of foreigners".
It has been proven beyond doubt that throwing the racist card around just doesn't work. By your reckoning 52% of us dislike foreigners, good luck with that.
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Captain post #523 - Isaiah 11:8 "The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den."
All very interesting, but the contextual implication is that said children will do such dangerous, life threatening, things without coming to harm. I suspect that the odd beheading and bit of FGM remain extremely damaging to the individuals on whom such acts are performed.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Surprised to see that graph in 522 showing highest spending as in the 2001 - 2005 administration. When they came to power in 1997 there were lengthy waiting lists for non life threatening surgical procedures. I remember clearly that soon after taking over people needing hip/knee replacements suddenly found that they were being sent to private hospitals at very short notice which would show much higher NHS spending than in the next Parliament. The former St Saviours in Hythe were one of many in East Kent that earned out of it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst we may not agree with the principles of Mr Corbyn, many of his views are supported by many.
I would never get in the ball game of being Racist as is being suggested,
Whilst it probably will be a landslide hopefully Labour will learn quickly from it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Lib Dems came out with their manifesto today mainly aimed at getting a second Referendum on the final Brexit deal. Recent polls show that about half of Remain voters now accept the result and have moved on as evidenced by the lack of public protests nowadays. The issue has never been a big one in the South West Constituencies that they need to regain from the Tories so not a good move on their part.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Peter James wrote:Post #522 .According to your graphics Major spent almost the same for 5 years as Blair in Health spending. Your graph doesn't mention PFIS. Your point is?
Without wishing to bore everyone with the details and drawing this out into a protracted debate, 3.8% and 4.4%, whilst being less than a percent, is still a lot of extra lucre. 8.6% to 'fix the roof' and get it off its knees, followed by the 4.4% commitment is consistently higher than any of the Tory administrations in the graphic and significantly higher than the derisory 0.7% of the ConDem coalition.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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probably condemned to death then.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Bugger. There goes the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners.
The wicked Tories are going to force me to put on an extra pullover rather than swanning around my mansion wearing a tee-shirt in the depths of winter.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1792- Registered: 2 Jul 2016
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The NHS has been in crisis since the 70s ,and could be solved in a instant if someone had the guts like get rid of these million pound a yr + CEO s cut middle management and half the administration,Bring back the Matron and stop being a soft touch to anyone in the World that thinks they are entitled to free treatment,make tourists have ins just like we have to when we go abroad and anyone coming here to live must have an insurance that will cover them for at least 5 yrs or u til they have paid a reasonable amount ..But no one has the guts to do this cos like anything else connected to foreigners they are afraid of the snowflakes and the race card ..My cousin is training to be a nurse at the Hallam in Sheffield to put it bluntly she & 6 others are the only indigenous ones there the others are all foreign and guess who's paying ?
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Post #536.When I worked and lived in Spain. I remember the winter fuel payment being used for pre Christmas parties in the bars and source of irritation to expats who didn't get it.
I understand wealthy pensioners not getting it .The problem is the ones just above the benefits threshold not getting it.The Just About Managing.
Brave move by the Tories against their core vote.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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To pick up on David's point, quite right - sloppy wording on my part. Nothing really to do with an "irrational dislike of foreigners" and I take it back.
The point I am trying to make is that the Tory Government has quite brilliantly managed to completely ignore poorer areas and traditional Labour heartlands, and yet, using Brexit as a tool, managed to get those very people they ignored to want to vote Tory, because they have formed the view that foreigners were to blame rather than the sitting Government! It is quite brilliant - it really is.
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Neil Moors wrote:To pick up on David's point, quite right - sloppy wording on my part. Nothing really to do with an "irrational dislike of foreigners" and I take it back.
The point I am trying to make is that the Tory Government has quite brilliantly managed to completely ignore poorer areas and traditional Labour heartlands, and yet, using Brexit as a tool, managed to get those very people they ignored to want to vote Tory, because they have formed the view that foreigners were to blame rather than the sitting Government! It is quite brilliant - it really is.
No idea why you keep referring to foreigners but never mind.
I think you'll find it was/is the Labour Party that completely ignore their core vote, in 2015 UKIP got most of their votes in Labour areas, not Walmer or Kingsdown. These people were concerned with immigration and the effect on wages and public services. Ukip got 3 councillors elected: Aycliffe, Clarendon/Westbury, Tower Hamlets. That says it all.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Bugger. There goes the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners.
The wicked Tories are going to force me to put on an extra pullover rather than swanning around my mansion wearing a tee-shirt in the depths of winter.
I think we all knew this was coming but surprising that she announces it before the election, the over 60s tend to be the largest group to vote and nobody likes free money taken away whether they need it or not.