Brian Dixon
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Jan Higgins
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote: Furthermore we are leaving anyway it is just a matter of negotiating the best deal which I have no confidence in Mrs May getting.
She will certainly be better than Labour's illustrious leader, therefore who would you pick to negotiate the Brexit deal out of the various party leaders or other MPs who might get re-elected?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:She will certainly be better than Labour's illustrious leader, therefore who would you pick to negotiate the Brexit deal out of the various party leaders or other MPs who might get re-elected?
Frankly none of the current crop that I know about, I just see them as vacuous, self seeking and are happy that a throw away line on Twitter or a smart reply on Question Time gets them in the headlines. The days of Statesmen and women are now gone and having listened to great minds across party lines in the not too distant past I cringe when I listen to May, Corbyn and their cohorts grubbing around for votes.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Who wastes their time and money producing this bollox?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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tory spin doctors at great cost
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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D Little wrote:Who wastes their time and money producing this bollox?
Most on those I have seen on here and elsewhere are childish, petty and definitely not worth the time and effort it takes to post them regardless of the party they are knocking.
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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The main question in this General Election which party candidate you could vote for.
Jeremy Corbyn has a new election campaign chief called Andrew Murray. Mr Murray was until December 2016 ,a leading member of the Communist party of Great Britain ,not a Scottish tennis player.
On June 8th I will hold my nose and vote, not for Comrade Corbyn and the Labour party.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Peter James wrote:The main question in this General Election which party candidate you could vote for.
Jeremy Corbyn has a new election campaign chief called Andrew Murray. Mr Murray was until December 2016 ,a leading member of the Communist party of Great Britain ,not a Scottish tennis player.
On June 8th I will hold my nose and vote, not for Comrade Corbyn and the Labour party.
Somewhat inaccurate Peter, on our ballot papers will be Charlie. Stacey, Piers and one or two others.
Maybe you reside in Islington?
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Somewhat inaccurate Peter, on our ballot papers will be Charlie. Stacey, Piers and one or two others.
Maybe you reside in Islington?
Anuvver DFL!
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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I cannot afford to live in Islington.
I am fully aware of the Dover and Deal candidates. If you read my comment I said I would not vote for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.Sorry Stacey.
I wish Piers well and the others but there is only one party in the game.
Our country needs a stable government not a protest movement of IRA supporters and assorted Marxists/Stalinists consisting of Abbott, McDonnell, Thornberry.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Corbyn is a taxpayer funded protester, has been for decades, he is on a massive ego trip and has little interest in becoming PM.
I'll still be taking my democratic right to abstain, I can't bring myself to vote for the least bad option.
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David. That is your choice.
It's either holding your nose and voting or abstaining.
I am not happy about the NHS and social care under the Tories or uncontrolled immigration with May in charge.
Can you imagine Diane Abbott as Home Secretary in charge of the police or Corbyn in charge of the Security of this country?
Elphicke is not my favourite person but if he falls down on the job, he will be out of office in 5 years time.
Anyone not the shambolic Labour party.
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I'm not happy with the NHS either, its high time we gave people the chance to opt out of NI and encourage them to take out PHI. The NHS is bloated, no amount of money can solve the problems. Unfortunately to suggest part privitisation is to deny the holocaust in some sectors.
When I go abroad to places that don't have NHS I don't see people dying in the street.
If your only reason to vote May is to not vote Corbyn then you haven't persuaded me
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David. No one can persuade you to do anything.
The Labour party voted for Corbyn. Now they will pay the price.
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So, the Labour party manifesto is out, and to be honest, I quite like it.
However, as I read elsewhere today "If the Manifesto was a menu, I would order from it, but I don't like the decor and atmosphere of the restaurant". As a lifelong Labour voter, it still isn't enough as I fear a choice between hard right and hard left - oh for someone sensible between the two. For the first time ever, I might be following David's lead.
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you could all ways write at the bottom of the ballot paper "none of the above.".
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In 1945, Clement Attlee put forward a manifesto that produced the Welfare State. Workers' rights, the NHS, Social Security, protection against the Zero Hours Contracts of its day (for docker workers in particular), 900+ Primary schools were built, social housing (dare I say council housing) went into overdrive and all this in the wake of post-WWII bankruptcy. If you ever went to a state school, have used an NHS hospital or service (perhaps only in your birth), have benefited from your workers' rights including getting sick pay when you were too ill to attend work. (I could go on, but I won't...) Then you need to know that nobody else has freely given these to you. These, among others, were brought in by Labour's surprise landslide election victory in 1945 - transforming Britain by 1950. The Tories want to dismantle the successors of these but are having to covertly chip away at their removal over a length of time. As Tony Benn famously said, and I paraphrase, The way a government treats refugees is very informative, because it tells you how they would treat the rest of us if they could get away with it. I'll be voting, unsurprisingly, for Labour, warts and all. Partly because of the original Corbyn 10 pledges, and absolutely because of its 2017 manifesto.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Comrade Bishop. Thanks for the history lecture.Surprised you didn't mention in your summary of the last 71 years. The Labour government 1997-2010 using 221 private finance initiatives to fund the NHS, leaving the NHS in crippling £222 Billion debt.
You mention Tony Benn a political giant compared to political pygmies like Corbyn Thornberry,Abbott etc
You mention refugees, again you don't mention that the UK is one of the highest payers of overseas aid.
