Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The biggest problem for the Tory party is alienating the voters it’s managed to hold on to,,, especially over a clean EU withdraw.
Any new leader will have to satisfy this group and build on it,,, I don’t think the Tory parliamentary party have the balls to evolve the party past the rich lobbyists pulling the strings in the party to do this.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Hi Keith
Only the 2 boris and davis appear to be in the frame
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Listening to Lord Heseltine earlier and he called for a coronation of the next leader rather than a lot of in fighting that tears the party apart. He made the point that another General Election later in the year would be beneficial to his party rather than the expected two years away. He made the very good point that Tory voters are popping their clogs at the rate of 2% a year whilst most who turn 18 each year will be Labour voters.
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Since the Tories will be desperate for the yoof vote, I believe their next leader will be drawn from the new intake of young male members, all of whom appeared in this recent photocall. Personally, I think Ken will get it.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I see the Labour party have organised a day of rage ?? sounds a bit Arabic to me. Couled this be the start of Islamic labour,,lol,, ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Nothing to do with the Labour Party Keith, organised by a "Wolfie Smith" type who in turn calls upon the seething hordes of work dodgers to do some criminal damage under the guise of supporting the downtrodden.
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Howard.You say it's nothing to do with the Labour party, the so called #Day of Rage yesterday?
It was strange the Labour Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell was appealing for a million people to take to the streets and bring down the Tory Government yesterday. Mr McDonnell made the request 2 weeks ago.
Howard, how did you miss John's appeal?
You normally have your finger on the pulse regarding Labour party requests.
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Can't say I do remember that Peter, I thought Mcdonnell was being kept hidden away during and straight after the Election other than the odd interview that couldn't be avoided.Certainly not in Labour's interest for the Government to be brought down now as they need the PM to stay in place as long as possible, 2019 should be the aim.
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Why Howard, or are they going to take turns now as Prime Minister to fast track themselves into the House of Lords dormitory?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I have a feeling they may replace the PM with Gove as an interim all rounder. I don't see Johnson in the running
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I can see the logic in that Keith, Boris Johnson has now announced that he won't be standing before 2019 which means he doesn't want to take the blame for anything and David Davis will be 70 then. Michael Gove is bland enough to not upset the voters any further so would be a sensible choice.
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I don't think it will be the usual suspects .
I suggest it will be someone at the moment not well known and younger. Dominic Raab.
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Peter James wrote:I don't think it will be the usual suspects .
I suggest it will be someone at the moment not well known and younger. Dominic Raab.
If you are confident about that Peter he is 33/1 at the bookies.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Maybe Gove will make a move soon, but not sure he has support of hisparty
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Thanks Howard. Raab is certainly a good bet.
In the olden days after Major, Howard,Ian Duncan Smith. A young unknown became Leader. That unknown was David Cameron.
Raab unlike Cameron is a Brexiter and more importantly at the Moment not a Bullshitting Liar.
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I think it will not matter that much, the Torys have just sunk their boat by giving the vote to EU immigrants.
Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Keith. EU migrants have always been allowed to vote in local elections. When I worked and lived in Spain. I voted in local elections in Spain. Unlike the UK, I had show my passport and residency document with my Spanish National insurance number on it.
I voted Leave and was the VoteLeave Counting Agent. It is very appropriate and correct that EU migrants who pay national insurance and are council tax paying residents have a say in local government.
It is very important that identity checks are made before Anyone can vote.
Keith, if you you voted for Leave on 23rdJune and you think it means Working EU migrants are deported after Brexit. You are totally wrong.
Just wish UK politicians would be more stronger about UK nationals in the EU.
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Peter James wrote:Keith. EU migrants have always been allowed to vote in local elections. When I worked and lived in Spain. I voted in local elections in Spain. Unlike the UK, I had show my passport and residency document with my Spanish National insurance number on it.
I voted Leave and was the VoteLeave Counting Agent. It is very appropriate and correct that EU migrants who pay national insurance and are council tax paying residents have a say in local government.
It is very important that identity checks are made before Anyone can vote.
Keith, if you you voted for Leave on 23rdJune and you think it means Working EU migrants are deported after Brexit. You are totally wrong.
Just wish UK politicians would be more stronger about UK nationals in the EU.
I was talking about government elections.
but I don't see why anybody who is not a British citizen should have a vote, regardless of haw much tax they supposedly pay.
but immigrants will mostly vote for parties that will give them the most, regardless of how they wouled vote in their own country.
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
Tory MPs and donors are plotting to “skip a generation” and install a younger MP as their next leader after concluding the front-runners to replace Theresa May are too toxic.A growing number of Conservatives believe that Boris Johnson and David Davis have “had their day” and only younger faces can revive the party’s fortunes.
There is fury among some MPs that older colleagues have lost their majority and risk ushering in a Labour Government through a series of unforced errors. Hopes are now turning to the “golden generation” of Tory MPs first elected in 2010 to win back younger voters who voted for Jeremy Corbyn en masse at the election. Sajid Javid, the Business Secretary, Dominic Raab, the Eurosceptic justice minister, and Priti Patel, the International Development Secretary, are all being talked up by colleagues.
Other ministers from the 2010 intake such as Jesse Norman, Brandon Lewis and Jo Johnson - the brother of Boris - are also mentioned as possible contenders. Supporters of the plan point to how David Cameron, the last Tory to win the party a majority, was barely known when he joined the leadership race in 2005.
If and when this happens, we need Year Zero – a real radical revolution,” said one 2010 MP about a leadership switch. “We need an equivalent to Ruth Davidson [the Scottish Tory leader] – someone completely counter-intuitive. She is a lesbian kick-boxer who doesn’t fit the mould.
“When she first got elected she didn’t have much cut through. But because they are new and different it will gather stream.”One veteran MP warned that “all the front-runners are contaminated in one way or the other".Another younger MP said: “They’ve had their day and it hasn’t worked. For the current lot – Boris and the rest of them – their time is up.”
While Mrs May’s position stabilised last week, Tory MPs continue to question whether she has the authority and support in Parliament to see through Brexit.There is little appetite for an immediate switch amid fears another election would be won by Labour, but that has not stopped private speculation about when Mrs May should go.