Captain Haddock
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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Groucho Marx
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Groucho Marx
Speaking of which, watching the PM?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Yup. Sensibly sticking to net zero.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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A test for Labour here, will they commit to 2030? Let's see.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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And there we go. Labour commits to retaining 2030 target.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Errr because it's an arbitrary target and every other country is going for 1935 and poor people will suffer most in getting us there but it will get a few votes from the road blocking eco-Nazis!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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'the entire Shadow Cabinet claimed to be working for a labour victory espousing totally different policies.'
Wonderfully ironic given today's news. Do you remember a chap named Johnson?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Yep. Brilliant wasn't he? Got Brexit done when no-one else could.
No longer PM but alive and well and still living in your head obviously!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Yep. Brilliant wasn't he? Got Brexit done when no-one else could.
No longer PM but alive and well and still living in your head obviously!
You get more hilarious by the post, cap'n. Got Brexit done? The biggest political balls-up imaginable. And recognised as such now by an ever increasing majority of the population. Check the polls.
Johnson has only ever been in my head as the emodiment of how low the Tories could plummet after Cameron and May. Leadership based upon habitual mendacity and either a blind or wilful ignorance of the facts. Right up your street fella. There's something to
about!
Keith Sansum1
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Wow! Neil is more deluded than I thought lol
Like him or hate him, JC was popular , but if course the national press, but business , Labour MPs
All campaigned against him.
Some Labour MP s telling people to vote Tory rather than JC.
So ok if your happy to go along with luke warm Tory policies , then the choice is limited .
Never thought I would see the day when Labour front bench MPs telling people publicly not to vote Labour .
We can look ahead to little change over next five years .
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Weird Granny Slater
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:...JC was popular...
True dat.
The most popular Labour leader at elections over the last 50 years.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Button
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:True dat.
The most popular Labour leader at elections over the last 50 years.
With whom?
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Voters.
Wilson 1974 (Feb): 11,645,616
Wilson 1974 (Oct): 11,457,079
Callaghan 1979: 11,532,218
Foot 1983: 8,456,934
Kinnock 1987: 10,029,807
Kinnock 1992: 11,560,484
Blair 1997: 13,518,167
Blair 2001: 10,724,953
Blair 2005: 9,552,436
Brown 2010: 8,609,527
Miliband 2015: 9,347,273
Corbyn 2017: 12,877,918
Corbyn 2019: 10,269,051
Average:
Corbyn: 11,573,485
Wilson: 11,551,348
Callaghan: 11,532,218
Blair: 11,265,185
Kinnock: 10,795,146
Miliband 2015: 9,347,273
Brown 2010: 8,609,527
Foot 1983: 8,456,934
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
You gone ???
It's only an election lol
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Jan Higgins
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If Corbyn was that popular with voters how come he never made PM and was soon kicked out as Labour leader.
I love the way statistics and numbers can be made to show almost any answer to any cleverly worded question. by those conducting surveys, polls etc
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Er... 'Cleverly worded question.' ? ? ? ?
These figures are the recorded Labour popular vote in every general election since 1974. They are publicly and freely available, not hidden in some heavily fortified dungeon of conspiracist statistical manipulators. Look 'em up. If I can do it, anyone can.
One reason Corbyn 'never made PM' is because in the UK we have these things called 'constituencies' which means that the size of a party's popular vote may not always be reflected in the number of seats gained; we also have these things called 'other political parties', some of which may get a higher popular vote count or more seats.
Even I know this, and I don't even vote.
Another reason Corbyn 'never made PM' is because he is obviously a deranged anti-semite, as various alphabet agencies, Labour and Conservative Party worthies, and their totally credible 'news' outlets couldn't refrain from telling us throughout his second campaign.
There may be other reasons, but I find my willpower flagging just now.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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WGS. JAN
Corbyn wasn't elected partly because big business , the media, his own front Bench ,
Openly campaigned against him.
WGS although you have a view as you don't vote then you have just have to accept outcome as you are not part of any solution .
With some of front Bench at the time (Watson and others ) putting full page adverts out telling people not to vote Labour , some even going as far as encouraging people to vote tory. Corbyn had no chance
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I'm here, Keith. Eagerly anticipating Conference.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
Avoiding this question only puts you in a Starmer doesn't care bracket.
Labour is doing it's upmost to appeal to the conservative right wing .
Although not as desperate as Blair (nor does Starmer come across as well as Blair did) people need some substance .
It's still, we can be better Tories than the Tories !
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