Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 1030...pull up the drawbridge....I`m alright jack....I`m ok........forget the rest.....we are all in it together....arn`t we ?
ps.tell it to the breast cancer patients........
Keith Sansum1
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Seems that way reg
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Jan Higgins
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I doubt that any forum member even those on the extreme left would turn down a NHS referred appointment or treatment at a private hospital.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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What a strange post Reg, where have I advocated pulling up any drawbridges?
What I suggest will free up space in the NHS so that people are treated far quicker, there will be millions who would opt out of NHS treatment if they paid a reduced NI contribution, this lessens the strain on the NHS in that it services fewer patients.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Paul W, perhaps I didn't explain clearly, I meant an NHS ambualnce scraping people up and delivering to Chaucer/St Saviours for example, the person being scraped having paid reduced NI.
Interesting that Keith says the NHS needs reform but won't say how, I've made my case Keith, over to you.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no david even with the ambulance private hospitals are not set up for emergency treatment.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
you asked;
does the NHS need reform
i answred the question you asked
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well swerved Keith, I'll be more direct, how would you reform it?
Howard, I'm not debating what currently happens, this is about reform. Private hospitals atren't geared up for A&E but they could be,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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doubt if they would want to david they earn their money out of standard procedures.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
I'm sure you are aware it is a complex make up(NHS) but has been allowed to decline over the years,
I have a number of views about the NHS of course there are the positives and negatives to it all.
So let me just give you a brief insight to my views9so as not to bore everyone lol)
Over years the NHS has been allowed to become top heavy with managers, and less coal face workers,
Good workers who have dedicated there lives working for the NHS have been allowed to leave(I have first hand knowledge of this) and new systems introduced where someone with little experience (new american style of nursing) can order about/dictate to, someone with say 15 years or more dedicated service, so these people left.
This then moved towards less dedicated staff(in some areas) over burdened with over paid managers, making little difference to the NHS(apart from helping it's decline)
Bring back the matron who has control of the hospital, having had first hand experience of this in years gone by, it worked, the buck stopped at the matron, and she was the one people an answered to.
On the catering side, private catering hasn't worked, and should be withdrawn and done inhouse by staff who know
what's best for the patients.
I'v given before on other threads how bad these private caterers are.
Then we have the bigger issues of, what services, where.
Not every hospital can have every facility but thats a bigger education programme over time.
So theres a few snippets
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Howard, we're talking REFORM, not the staus quo.
Lets imagine 5m people opted out of the NHS and instead paid £50pm to BUPA, less people clog up the NHS, BUPA have £250m a month to spend on A&E and other facilities.
Good idea Keith?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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So Keith, you want to sack civil servants, so do I but that doesn't really fit with the labour stance.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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sorry answered that on another thread(elit pigs)
Civil servants in the main are over paid and remain in p;lace no matter who runs the country,
Govts over years have allowed them to have control, and govt ministers just bite around the edges.
rest is answrred on elite pigs thread
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Interesting though Keith, you talk about a bloated bureaucracy and I agree entirely, but are you, a socialist, really talking about sacking civil servants?
Of course you wouldn't
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David,
You obviously dont know me then
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Correct, I don't know you. But think about it Keith, in one post you claim to be a socialist, in the next you talk about sacking civil servants, that is incompatible
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Civil servants(top) run the country and needs to be major reform there
Back onto the subject in hand
apart from bupa you have no other opinion on the NHS?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Cutting the starting salary of Police Constables doesn't sound very Conservative either. The world appears to be more grey areas upon a grey background.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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How long have you got?
Germany, France etc etc don't have the same system as us but I don't see lorry loads of dead bodies everywhere.
The country is skint Keith, why is another debate, but millions of us have to face reality. I believe NHS employs more people than anywhere in the world other than the Chinese Army and the Indian Railway, its simply unsustainable.
You mutter reform and management, there is not a chance that you or any labour administration would change a thing. Oh yeah, you'd change the people serving the tea, big deal.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
Sadly you have just decided to ridicule rather than debate the issue
leaving out of course your own view.
There was a lot more i posted, but hey dont let that get in the way
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