howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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but secret though, cannot be read by the public.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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This one is not common place ....................
Private Health Company boasting honesty,open and fair is to deregister 166 elderly patients less than six
months after signing them on................sign of the future!!!!.....................
GP`s have raised concerns about awarding pilot schemes to private companies and their decision to unburden themselves of elderly patients............must reduce shareholders dividends..............
Lansley tells old age pensioner ...NHS will not go private....it will not be privatised.............what`s the weather like on his planet?
Ross Miller
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Why should they be public?
They are an internal management control document.
Do DDC publish their Risk Register? No... should they? No....
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Thanks Ross , clearly put.
They also arent just a list of risks ,of course they have to identify any area of concern , but they cant just leave it like that . It must also contain an agreed plan to reduce the risk , an evaluation of how likely it is to occur in the first place and the severity of its effect if it does occurand then the effect of the risk reduction measures and new level of risk . Plus how to future plan to prevent recurrence .
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Absolutely - as a project manager this is one of my regular chores - updating the risk register on new risks, mitigating actions completed, outcomes of mitigating actions, etc etc
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Mine too !
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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it is agreed Risk Registers are common place....they are not a new process...all businesses have them...they
facilitate planning.....they are internal controls management documents............but the timing of this one
makes it rather special..........
The Reform Bill is a major piece of legislation...........the public must be informed of the risks that are being
taken on their behalf......
Jan Higgins
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Bern, Sarah and Ross
I also have a secret risk register in case we have a house fire....... it is in my head and tells me how to get out safely.
All businesses will have such a register/plan like this in case of a problem be it a strike, natural disaster or sudden reduction of income.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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out on my own here except for reg, we are not talking about losing money or tripping over something at work.
this is about how health provision for 60 million people, we already know about the first hospital handed over to a private company that admitted that they were over stretched and that care was likely to suffer.
But it is still a tool to be used for all the reasons stated. Just that. Ross and Sarah - I am in good company!!
One thing that strikes me after looking back a bit over this thread: there is a wealth of danger in people drawing conclusions when they don't understand what they are talking about. Risk registers are a good example of that - they are not sinister, new, or devious, they are just tools of project planning and management and in fact serve a purpose in that they are tools to aid risk reduction and mitigation. They are professionally used tools for the job. But if you don't understand that you could indeed run off with any idea about them if you didn't check your facts. The last three words in that sentence are probably pertinent.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Having worked in a previous life on stress-testing financial risk models dealing with the behaviour of derivative markets under disorderly market conditions, I can well understand the reluctance of the authorities to make the fine detail public. Most people would not have a clue what it meant; the newspapers would have a field day and it would make the job of risk management professionals in the NHS impossible.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a lot of corporate speak here that means nothing to most people looking in.
when people are in need of assistance from the health service they just want to know that they are in good hands.
Exactly. They could do without the scaremongering that happens when people read what they want to into things they don't understand. And the fact is that risk registers and other management tools are there specifically to make things better and manage the risks that you are all so scared of. To put it simply, they are our friends, not our enemies.......
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Howard, I was just a simple pub landlady and I understood exactly what Bern, Sarah, Ross and Peter meant.
Boils down to plans are/were made in case there is a problem, quite simple really.
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Thats really true Howard , the problem is at the moment that cant be universaly guarenteed . I dont want to rely on a service that isnt fit for perpose , which to a large extent the current system is proving to be.
I think one of the things is ,that it can be relativly easy for common place systems like a " risk register " to be quoted and used out of context, by either side of the debate about reforms , to impy something other than what they are .This can then be presented as a secret conspiracy designed to hide facts whereas I would be more worried about any service or system that didnt have a risk register ,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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can anyone explain in simple terms how me and others will benefit from the proposals please?
Nicely put Jan and Sarah, and much more politely than me! I do get a little frustrated when people go seeking detriment, though, rather than trying to understand. Apologies if I was a little sharp.
I thought Sarah made a good job of that earlier Howard........and lets not lose sight of how complex the whole thing is. How would you suggest we boil it down?