Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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I liked the maths of doubled 900 mil to 1.4 trillion that really is awesome, good job makes me want to have them running the countries finances lol
But any statistics can be manipulated to look good/bad or spun in certain ways.
Either way I was going to go for voting UKIP but as things have progressed the first signs of actually stirring up the political landscape have dimmed to cold ashes from what I have seen. If only they had gone a bit slower and had better candidates and less gaffs and more than just the one answer 'immigration'.
But happily I have decided who I am voting for.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I understand your impassioned plea for voting labour Gary, but I feel you are absolutely wrong in suggesting that Labour will be better. Labour do not have a more social conscience and will make people, more state-dependant.
I appreciate what you say about the ATOS successors, but Labour introduced this scheme, the Conservatives continued with it.
Making people less state-dependant is the best way for them to become financially better off, but the people who simply cannot cope, must continue to receive help.
If Labour win, people generally will be worse off - much worse off.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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roger,is that a disaster appeal for the sick,disabled people who have been sanctiond and have no money to buy food clothing etc.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In today's Mercury there is a supplement re VE Day.I recall those war years with food rationing and cloth coupons .That was 1939 -1945 No NHS ,classes of thirty odd children in schools.we did not have coffee bars ,nail bars and mobile phones .You were lucky to have a phone.People walked miles to shop and to go to a large town was once or twice a year.
Today we cast our vote think very carefully .2015 is far better then 1945..
There is a letter in the Mercury re the state of Dover .rough sleeper etc.
A bit of self help goes along way .Who puts the litter on the ground ,writes on walls and benches etc.Not your elected Councillors.
:Today after many years the only part : I will play in today's election is to cast my vote.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In today's Mercury there is a supplement re VE Day.I recall those war years with food rationing and cloth coupons .That was 1939 -1945 No NHS ,classes of thirty odd children in schools.we did not have coffee bars ,nail bars and mobile phones .You were lucky to have a phone.People walked miles to shop and to go to a large town was once or twice a year.
Today we cast our vote think very carefully .2015 is far better then 1945..
There is a letter in the Mercury re the state of Dover .rough sleeper etc.
A bit of self help goes along way .Who puts the litter on the ground ,writes on walls and benches etc.Not your elected Councillors.
:Today after many years the only part : I will play in today's election is to cast my vote.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Then after the war the Reds brought in the NHS Sue.
The odds on who will be Prime Minister are evenly split between Ed and Dave, if the polls are correct too then we could be in for a few weeks of negotiations and behind the scenes deals before a government is formed.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,658
"Some interweb witticisms."
Howard couldn't you find any for Labour or are your prejudices showing.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I've just come back from telling for a couple of hours and one chap's comments stuck in my mind; he said -
"get rid of this lot, I now have to work for my money".
That's the culture we're trying to change. People must be encouraged to work if they can - not just if they choose or want to.
Why should people who do work and pay their taxes, pay for people who don't want to work ? That's also the comment I have been getting on the door-step.
Roger
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I know who brought the NHS in the trouble with most things in life we can create dependency .Poverty is not the same as years ago .A bit of self help goes along way.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Yes Roger and for those who do work they are able to improve their life style .and pay for those who don't try to help themselves.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Sue and Victoria's postings, in a nutshell, says it all.......earn your keep if you are fit enough to.
I also, like many, remember the war years; they were not the best of times but everyone was in the same boat and worked to improve their lot and helped each other.
A lot of the time, to many people 'oldies' have become invisible now, but it was their efforts that provided things that we take for granted today.
'Make do and mend' is now alienated from today's throwaway society and, me, me, me seems to be the most prominent thought in their lives!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Sue Nicholas wrote:I know who brought the NHS in . .
Do you know the full story?
"In February 1941 the Deputy Permanent Secretary at the Ministry of Health recorded privately areas of agreement on post-war health policy which included "a complete health service to be available to every member of the community" and on 9 October 1941, the Minister of Health Ernest Brown announced that the Government proposed to ensure that there was a comprehensive hospital service available to everyone in need of it." He was a Liberal National.
"Sir Henry Urmston Willink, 1st Baronet PC, MC, KC (7 March 1894 - 20 July 1973), was a British politician and public servant.
He is best known for his service as Minister of Health from 1943-1945 in the wartime Coalition Government of the United Kingdom. He proposed many of the bases of the National Health Service later taken up by the Labour Party . ." He was a Conservative.
So it's not quite right for Labour to claim all the credit for bringing in the NHS, the plans were already being prepared by the wartime coalition as they recognised there would be a need after the war was over, and they were finalised by Labour after they won the next election.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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They gave the British people the health services and mass house building after the war, because they new it was the only way to stop revolution and keep all their land and power ,the country was awash with guns and battle hardened men that would not except the old days or the old ways.
After this threat had gone they started to crap all over us again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just I thought I would give thanks to all the volunteers that have given up their time over the election period to stuff envelopes, deliver leaflets, canvass and all the other things that need doing at election time to keep our democracy going. Especially hard locally as we have Town, Parish and District elections at the same time.
Re; Bob's comments on people helping others during the war years I was told later on about the happenings on my estate. Being close to the Royal Docks bombing was just a matter of course and if say a welsh dresser was damaged during an air strike compensation was forthcoming very quickly. Then the said piece of furniture would be moved to another house and another claim made - this would go on indefinitely as the assessors were overworked and didn't have time to check each claim.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Keith Bibby wrote:They gave the British people the health services and mass house building after the war, because they new it was the only way to stop revolution and keep all their land and power ,the country was awash with guns and battle hardened men that would not except the old days or the old ways.
After this threat had gone they started to crap all over us again.
What a load of twaddle Keith!!!!
Were you around to see the devastation and the return of the armed forces survivors that had been through hell over the war years?
Your crass comments are an insult to those who fought for their country!
They came back worn out and weary and thankful that they had survived the war. They had a hard time finding jobs and the farthest thought from their minds was to come home and get involved in more armed conflict. They took whatever jobs that they could find to earn a living or the alternative was to go hungry.
What came after the war was born out of necessity as there was virtually nothing left of the infrastructure in some parts of the UK. The mass housebuilding was needed to replace the destroyed houses, or the UK would still be a huge camping site. Something better than the existing 'pay as you use' healthcare was needed to treat those who came back home suffering from what they'd been through so that focused the politicians minds, out of which the NHS was formed.
It was not given Keith; it came at a cost which many 'oldies' today have paid into all their lives and now appear to be blamed for living too long as the NHS's changing role now has to treat those with some conditions which can only be termed as 'self inflicted injuries!
Keep taking the tablets.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Just done my bit and cast my votes, a sign outside says that if someone is in the queue at 10 pm they will be entitled to vote. I remember last time there were thousands of complaints from people who got there 5 minutes before the polls closed and couldn't get a ballot paper before the polls closed.
The polling stations are open for 15 hours so I find it surprising that so many people feel the need to leave it to the last minute.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Bob stop talking sh...
The housing stock Before and after ww2 was mostly slums for the working class that did all the fighting , the war never even destroyed 1 % of British housing stock.
Dover and London may have been a mess but the rest of the country wasn't that bad compared to Europe
Labour got its biggest majority ever in 1945, the people wanted change from the old ways and they got it, because they where strongest and united.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Thanks for throwing in a diversion on my unbiased reply to your original nonsense as you obviously have lots going on in your little world.
In the real world the facts seem to be a little confusing if we are to believe your figures.
With a population of approx 50 Million in the 1940's and 1 million homes destroyed in London alone your 1% of housing stock destroyed nationally could be in doubt unless every man woman and child had more than one house available to them!
Oh get someone to explain it to you, I can't be ars*d to play games with someone who is obviously more blinkered than a Shire horse.
A couple of points of reference might prove useful for someone to explain it to you:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz
Http://www.populstat.info/Europe/unkingdc.htmDo nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Jan
re; 287
I haven't seen any funnies of the other leaders on the web, even the "Sun" was reduced to doing a front page yesterday showing that old one of Ed making a dog's breakfast of eating a bacon sandwich.