Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Wow. For all those antideluvians who don't understand how things are actually changing, looks like the future's getting even better!
PV meets OR?
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/elon-musk-tesla-uk-factory-4192165'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:One could argue that those are signs of a functioning democracy.
I doubt that our misled farmers will see it quite that way.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Where will all this end up
I think with the Cummings fiasco we can see Boris is quite weak
And not good under scrutiny
So he's hardly likely to stand up to Trump
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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johnson/cummings dead men walking, keith
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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And yet rumours of a Knighthood for Cummings? And why not as Barry Norman used to say ,.........
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,220
This is literally his deal! The deal he negotiated and won an Election on. The worst charge that could be aimed at Boris is that he has normalised lying.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
That's the trouble
And switched even more people off politics
Brian
I'm afraid it's not
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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keith
evan more so now.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Presume you mean even.
It's topic of the day,
And caused 100s to disregard govt
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It is interesting the subsidies farmers get
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Today's FT article on Brexit and the Dover Straits routes ends on this happy note:
'A [UK] government spokesperson said that business will “need to prepare” for life outside customs union and single market at the end of 2020. “We continue to develop our systems in readiness for the end of the transition period and we are engaging with industry as plans develop,” they added.'
Not a definition of 'transition' that fills me with a warm fuzzy feeling, although I take heart that my MP doesn't seem perturbed.
(Not my real name.)
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,637
I wonder how our farmers ever managed prior to all the subsidies and foreign workers they now seem to rely on to survive.
When for example potatoes were picked by hand prior to the machines that now dig up, grade and clean.
When the only fertilizer was from their animals rather than chemicals.
When birds and other predators were nature's pest control until starved out by more modern practises.
Luckily farmers are more careful what and where they use man made chemicals, but still they say they need subsides to survive. Maybe they mean so they do not have to get their hands or feet dirty prior to jumping in their new Range Rover instead of the old banger the majority of farmers used to drive.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The question of subsidies is interesting but not the specific issue here. British farmers played a major role in establishing high standards of animal welfare within the EU. They were righly proud of what they achieved. And they were promised unequivocally that they would be retained. Gove has lied. Truss has lied. Eustace is foundering to find a compromise. It's the first of many 4 year old chickens that will come home to roost this year as the brexit deadline looms larger.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The compromise option is interesting. From what I read, the plan is to allow chlorinated chicken from the US, but to introduce tariffs to make it economically unviable. I see the logic there - you don’t directly criticize the US and gives everyone a political way out. However, that is only if the US chooses to take it....
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Your reading of the compromise option is correct, Neil. However, it is regarded as a sop to get the legislation through rather than a sincere attempt to maintain hard won standards. The higher tariffs could be so negligible as to make them virtually meaningless or could be dropped altogether at a later date.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Sounds like the kind of legislation where the House of Lords would dig in.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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