Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I think it'll be good once the deadline expiration point has been passed as it'll force both sides to compromise. I don't see anything other than a last minute deal in December.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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That's pre-supposing that the current lot do actually want a deal. Evidence against this is mounting by the minute. They'll be quite prepared to throw farmers and fishermen under the bus to meet their aims.
Brian Dixon
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ross, common consencus , most top papers are forcasting it.
Ross Miller
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Brian most "top" papers journalists would struggle to find their backsides with a searchlight and a mirror far less actually researcha story properly, on the whole they write what the editor and owners want.
But in the context of agriculture and fisheries (and much else of corporate Britain) what entities qualify as British?
Is a Dutch owned but British registered vessel that holds a valid fishing quota license a British entity for the purposes of fishing policy?
Is a US owned beef cattle farm in the UK British for the purposes of post CAP policy decisions?
What about a French owned dairy here in the UK?
Don't get me started on Monsanto's policy and practice on both pesticides and seed stock ...
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Button
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ray hutstone wrote:That's pre-supposing that the current lot do actually want a deal. Evidence against this is mounting by the minute.
You can relax: "We have a strong action plan to deliver a comprehensive trade deal with the EU" said Natalie Elphicke only recently
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/05/natalie-elphicke-from-tackling-gangs-to-new-investment-my-five-step-plan-to-take-back-control-of-our-borders.html.
Interesting article with, for example, one-sentence paragraphs for WGS to mull over and a 'ready on day one' fix for Button. Good news too, apparently, on the migrant front: "So far this year over 1,500 illegal entrants have broken into Britain... This problem only be answered in the detail and with the right laws. That’s why a clear action plan is vital – not just to end the small boat journeys, but to boost our border security across the board. There are five key areas to this..." No. 5 is to collect border dues (duty - which she sees as being revenue, and VAT) on imports. Hmm, oh well, at least you heard it here first.
The whole bit on Customs control of imports (exports didn't get a mention) came across to me as a return to putting the emphasis on activities at the border; if so, I don't know if that was intentional or not. Here's hoping education resumes shortly.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ah. Well. That's alright then. I feel heartily re-assured by her strong words.
Weird Granny Slater
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Tempted to write an essay on that bubbleheaded blather. But just for now:
'This system will ensure that immigration is controlled and that we are able to attract the skilled workforce we need – not just from the EU but from around the world.
By the same token, we will be able to better manage the inward migration of lower skilled workers – so encouraging all employers to invest in British workers and British jobs.'
Hmm, so Britain can only hope to produce 'lower skilled workers'; we'll just import the 'skilled workforce we need'. An odd admission, but perhaps she's right; it does seem to be borne out by the poor quality of the ruling political class right now. Maybe we can get some decent ones in from Sweden, or Japan.
As for asylum laws being 'devised long ago to protect people fleeing oppressive regimes', we'd better hope there are some in place across the water somewhere, as many of us may be taking to our own dinghies soon enough.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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What's more:
'France is less than 21 miles away.'
'Customs declarations are currently made by less than 150,000 traders.'
It's 'fewer' FFS. Whenever the schools do re-open it'll be too late for Mrs E. Lower skilled workers, my a*se.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The most important farming legislation in generations has now passed its third reading in parliament despite warnings that, in a bid to make the UK market pliable for a post-Brexit US trade deal, protections of minimum food safety standards have evaporated as have safeguards for British farmers.
All this has been hidden by the Cummings double standards debacle, newsworthy though that is.
Tune in to Farming Today (silly o'clock, I know) if you want to get the measure of the zeitgeist. There's a lot of people beginning to realise how far they have been led up the garden path. Too late now to rectify the situation. It's not just our farmers. We will all be worse off as a result.
More like this will emerge over the coming months as more legislation heads for the statute books.
Captain Haddock
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1. We're leaving this year.
2. Any hit on economy is neither here nor there compared to the hit from CoronaVirus.
3. F**k off Barnier.
4. That's it.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Classic "I'm alright" response from you there Cap'n.
The truth is sadly a lot less clear cut than you 4 point plan
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The sooner Brexit is over and done with, the better. It is not good that everything is still viewed through that particular prism, and we need to get it out of the system. The strategy appears to be that given we’re heading for a financial depression anyway, we may as well put a no deal Brexit on the charge sheet and hope the public are daft enough to forgive us.
You know what, that might have worked......until, and if I may borrow the phrase, Boris decided to “ spaff up the wall” all of his political capital on Dominic Cummings.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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never mind only anoter 2 years to go. roll 2023
Button- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:1. We're leaving this year.
I don't doubt it, it's just that with 6 months to go, I find it a bit surprising to come across what seems to me to be an aspirational "plan", rather than our MP commenting on progress being made by DHB, HMRC, UKBF, ferry operators, agents et al on whatever infrastructure, systems, staffing, training, publicity and testing is involved in the agreed project. I mean, I assume they are at the project stage...
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Oh dear. I didn't realise Spain had left the EU? Meanwhile investment in Sunderland continues (in spite of Brexit).
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Wait until the end of this year before you post your puerile memes, Cap'n.
Unless Cummings goes and 'dishy' Rishi can impose some common sense on Boris, you'll find things will start to look rather different.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Cummings ain't going nowhere.
Meanwhile after Rishi's largesse, just watch the number of firms/shops, having taken the money (no due diligence here) going bankrupt before, phoenix like, arising from the flames, with the same directors/owners.
You ain't seen nothing yet!
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Perhaps that comment says more about your morals and motivations Cap'n...
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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As an aside, I notice that many prominent Brexiteeers are starting to worry about the future in a non EU world. The Huawei fiasco with 5G shows how whether we like it or not, we are going to be mortgaged to China in the future, while our other parent, the US, is causing panic in the agriculture sector because they will insist on importing goods that would currently fall below UK standards and thus put UK producers at a competitive disadvantage.
Still, I maintain we have got to get it out of the system to move on as a country.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"