Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so a no deal or revoking article 50 is on the cards then. so much for get me out of Europe I am a leaving brit, then.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mogg-theresa-may-has-made-active-choices-to-stop-brexit-11686712
Hardly inspiring words.
"Ms Leadsom said she would never back revoking Article 50 - the legal process which triggered Britain's EU exit - and the UK could "survive and thrive" after a no-deal exit and it would be "not nearly as grim as many would advocate"."
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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unwise words that will huant her for the rest of her time at wetminster.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Nobody can really quantify the extent of the "grimness". There are just too many variables. Whatever anyone with any glimmer of understanding and objectivity knows, however, is that it will be grim. And needless.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Hard to believe that in 3 days time a summit will be held to decide our fate and a further 2 days later we will be cast adrift unless these cosy chats between our two main parties will come up with something out of the ordinary.
It was clear to most people here and most people in the member states that it was a national rather than party issue but still it is about point scoring even at this late stage, whatever happened to statesman or women?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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that's a laugh howard, don't want much do they. lol
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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any way some news reports ive seen today that revoking article 50 is on the cards.
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HMG & The Opposition are having "technical" talks this evening but HMG is refusing Labour's key item of a customs union and offering amendments to the "non-binding" political declaration.
Is that technical as in the technique of talking i.e. jaws moving and sounds emanating from mouth?
Also what was it about the phrase "non-binding" that made HMG think it was worth the paper it was written on?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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They can talk as much as they like but the deal agreed last November is the only one on offer despite the EU making encouraging noises about the Labour/Tory love in. As I see it the coloured person in the woodpile is President Macron who would gleefully see us kicked out ceremoniously and then the heat would be off him for the current state of French society.
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Tomorrow is World Unicorn Day. Just thought I'd mention it!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
Britain will lose its say in future EU budget talks and trade deals as the price of another Brexit delay, Theresa May is to be told today. The prime minister will visit Angela Merkel in Berlin and President Macron in Paris today as she tries to avoid humiliation at an EU summit tomorrow. Mrs May wants another Brexit extension to June 30 but European leaders have started to spell out the price for agreeing to the delay.
They will insist that Britain does not block or disrupt EU decisions during an extension period that is likely to be much longer than Mrs May’s request — possibly to March 31 next year. Any such extension would be brought to an end if the withdrawal agreement were approved by MPs. The leading Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg has called for London to be as “difficult as possible” during a long extension. This could include disrupting the next round of budget negotiations, Mr Macron’s plans for an EU army and other reforms. However, after speaking to Mrs May yesterday, Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, said that agreement to another delay “hinges . . . on assurances from UK on sincere co-operation”. That assurance is expected to take the form of a letter that, in effect, commits the government always to vote with the majority of other member states. EU leaders will also make clear that it will not reopen talks on the withdrawal agreement during any extension even if Mrs May is replaced with a hardline Brexiteer.
“If there is a wild Brexiter as a new Tory PM, they would be able to do nothing until after March 31, 2020, unless they subscribe to the withdrawal agreement,” a senior EU official said. “We will simply not hold talks. If a new British leader refuses these terms it will simply be ‘no deal’ on the date with plenty of time for us to prepare.” In a sign of diminishing trust in the prime minister, the EU will also warn Mrs May that it will force Britain into a no-deal exit if she seeks to cancel elections to the European parliament on May 23. The EU fears that if the Tories are defeated heavily in local elections on May 2 then Mrs May will be pressured into cancelling the European vote three weeks later. “If the UK does not hold European parliament elections because of a big defeat then it is ‘no deal’. Britain will be out either at the end of next month or at the end of June,” the source said.
The prime minister’s hopes of presenting EU leaders with a cross-party Brexit compromise were also fading last night as talks with Labour stalled over the issue of the customs union. Jeremy Corbyn said that Mrs May had “not yet moved off her red lines so we can reach a compromise” at the end of a day in which talks were restricted to officials. Ministers will resume talks today but there appeared little chance of a compromise to be agreed in time for tomorrow’s special EU summit. The prime minister briefed cabinet ministers and senior Tory backbenchers in Downing Street yesterday. One senior figure said that Mrs May was aware of the consequences for her party of forcing through a Brexit deal on Labour votes but did not rule it out. Labour and EU leaders are seeking promises that also bind a Conservative successor, particularly a Brexiteer such as Boris Johnson.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I'm struggling to understand the logic here with PM wanting another short extension and Donald Tusk willing to make it a year if the withdrawal agreement is not up for discussion.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47875923ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I'd hesitate to apply the word logic to anything that is happening right now, Howard. However my guess is that May is too frightened of the knuckledraggers to be seen to be proposing anything other than a brief extension. Tusk, on the other hand, believes (as do pretty much most Europeans) that the objective has to be to minimise damage to both sides of the divide.
The only way of doing this at the moment remains May's deal. Revocation or political change (2nd referendum or general election) are still off the table. Hence the thinking is to give us the maximum possible time to accept the reality of our current position.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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to true ray, the way things are going at the moment, it be extend to 5 years if the knucledraggers keep doing so,.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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could do with some gobby mep's to sort out our fishing qoutas and other stuff.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:could do with some gobby mep's to sort out our fishing qoutas and other stuff.
You mean like Nigel Farage who was appointed to the Fisheries committee and never turned up at a single meeting to argue our fisherperson's corner?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no howard some one more intelligent than him and turns up every time,