Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Vogons might have had Brexit sorted by now. Raab reckons he'll have it done by October. Let's see who's more "efficient".
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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That shouldn't be true Mr D, because whilst possession of a T form (now known as a TAD) may be checked by both customs services at a border, its barcode is only scanned by customs of the territory you are entering (the EU counting as a single territory, of course). Tomorrow I'll dig out a CT 'track my consignment' record (it's computerised nowadays and available on the net) and have a look at the timings.
Mr H: sorry (that has been said of me ever since "big school")! My point is lurking in your last sentence: 'if' and 'consequences'. In other words: a) will we and b) what will they be? It would be jolly nice not to have to wait until 29th March with 600 trucks breathing down one's neck to find out!
And not to have to go to Alpha Centuri!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#2200 You make a good point.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I have noticed a pattern emerging. When Jeremy Hunt recently spoke in Germany, it was "no deal by accident", "public will blame the EU" etc. With Raab it is now "we are going to have to stockpile food, but that is really the job of industry". With Mat Hancock, the same is true of medicines. In other words, they know a monumental scheisse Storm is coming, and once again, it will be anyone's fault but their own.
Best bit about Brexit - that we will no longer be able to blame the EU for Government failings as a matter of routine,
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Button- Location: Dover
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The Transit 'track my consignment' record I have to hand is 2 years old, but any agent could supply a current example. Mine covers a trip from the UK to Turkey via Serbia (all members of CT) and doesn't show border delays as such; all times are UTC:
Departure from UK 11:39 30/07
Entry into Serbia 12:12 03/08
Entry into Bulgaria 09:25 04/08
Entry into Turkey 22:18 04/08
Arrival at inland destination 07:23 08/08 (!)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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This stockpiling of medicines is not as straightforward as our leaders seem to think as many have a short shelf life. 700, 000 diagnostic tests each year require the use of radio-isotopes that can't be stockpiled and are not manufactured here.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#2204 Which is exactly what government should be doing. If there is no industry on these shores doing it why not launch a nationally owned pharmaceutical to fill the niche(s)? If we can manufacture Novichok in Portion Down why not make drugs for the benefit of the people too?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We all remember listening to the flannel from both sides prior to the Referendum and not taking most of it into account when casting our vote but since the atmosphere has become ever more poisonous with no signs of it abating which is a mystery to me because I respect the views on both sides.
Have a laugh at this.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-guy-verhofstadt-eu-tory-mep-remainers-treason-david-campbell-bannerman-a8463476.htmlBrian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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that guy has lost the plot. might end up in the tower of London.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
Interesting quote from that Independent report:-
“The Home Office has insisted UK anti-terror laws are not strong enough to prosecute London-born Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh in this country.”
Doesn’t surprise me for one second but if, assuming that statement’s true,.....WHY NOT?
Because of the usual EU led human rights rubbish that we have to adhere to I wonder?
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Weird Granny Slater
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JB, there have been some 13 United Kingdom anti-terror acts or orders since 2000. More legislation than you could shake a stick at, or stuff a mattress with and still sleep easy. Even the Home Affairs Committee concluded that 'This country has more anti-terrorist legislation on its statute books than almost any other developed democracy', and that was back in 2002.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#2208 and #2209. I do believe that the UK used anti-terror legislation against the sovereign state of Iceland during their financial crisis. Funny how money is protected ahead of human life, innit.
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:JB, there have been some 13 United Kingdom anti-terror acts or orders since 2000. More legislation than you could shake a stick at, or stuff a mattress with and still sleep easy. Even the Home Affairs Committee concluded that 'This country has more anti-terrorist legislation on its statute books than almost any other developed democracy', and that was back in 2002.
Well, why is the legislation still ineffective then in a case like this?
I’m anything but an expert on these matters, but from my simple perspective, if we’ve supposedly been busy with creating “more anti-terrorist legislation on its statute books than almost any other developed democracy”, then it doesn’t say much about the effectiveness of the legislation currently in operation which would now seem to be in need of being urgently updated.
In addition, it doesn’t alter the fact that it’s a disgrace that we can’t apparently prosecute these two ba*#*@ds ourselves and yet the USA can? How come?
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Trump wins zero tariffs with the EU .
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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john,if bunged in nick hear it would cost money, if the yanks do put them on death row,look at all that dosh we would be saving.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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John Buckley wrote:Well, why is the legislation still ineffective then in a case like this?
No idea, JB. Or whether it's true. The Independent article doesn't attribute the statement, simply saying that 'the Home Office insisted'. Could be that the HO wants to wash its hands of the affair, for whatever reason (lack of political will, cost...?); or could be Javid making a May-style pitch for yet more legislation.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I thought the problem was one of having enough proof for a conviction as the two involved were always hooded and there is no DNA evidence, the Americans don't seem to be concerned about such things.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The main backers on both sides of the debate think they would win a second Referendum so it could well happen especially as the PM has ruled it out.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/second-referendum-alastair-campbell-brexit-eu-peoples-vote-a8457071.htmlJan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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A law is only of any use if acted on otherwise it is useless words on a piece of paper.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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This could turn a few waverers off the idea of a second referendum:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44957901'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus