John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Don’t be reckless Brian, can you really afford to lose as much as that?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The bookies now have it odds on for no deal to be reached before leave the EU.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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its ok john I nicked the quid of the wife this morning,. lol
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The Tories are going to have to choose - it's either a general election to avoid a second referendum, or, a second referendum to avoid a general election. I see no other outcome as we are hurtling towards a no deal.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A General Election is unlikely to give anyone a working majority without doing deals so we would just end up with a lame duck administration again. Another Referendum would solve a lot of problems as the two main parties are split on the issue. I think Brian has made a sound investment as the finger of blame can be pointed at us when things go badly wrong.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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From the Sunday Telegraph.
The scale of the grassroots backlash against Theresa May and her Cabinet over her Brexit plans has been revealed, as the Prime Minister is warned by her own constituency chairman that she must not concede any further ground to the EU. Cabinet ministers faced an angry response from their Conservative associations when they returned to their constituencies last week. Seven chairmen of Cabinet ministers’ Conservative associations told The Telegraph that they either opposed the plans in their current form or would withdraw their support if Mrs May offered any further concessions to Brussels. Richard Kellaway, the chairman of Mrs May’s Maidenhead Conservative association, said: “If it were to be diluted it would ultimately not be acceptable.” In a sign of a growing open revolt among grassroots figures, the chairman in Andrea Leadsom’s South Northamptonshire seat said the Government had “lost the sense of leaving”, and called for Mrs May to be replaced by a “statesman”.
The warnings come after Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, dismissed key elements of the plan signed off by the Cabinet at Separately, The Telegraph has learnt that David Davis, who resigned as Brexit secretary, warned the Prime Minister not to deceive the public over her blueprint. “On customs and on goods the paper was not in line with the Government’s core promises to take back control of its laws and have an independent trade policy,” Mr Davis is said to have told the Cabinet at the Prime Minister’s country retreat. “The Government should be up front that this meant the harmonisation of legislation with the EU and being a rule taker for swathes of the economy.”
Despite the warning, Mrs May went on to insist the plan would “end the jurisdiction of the [European Court of Justice] in the UK” and “take control of … our laws” – which No 10 maintains is the case.
In a new analysis, Martin Howe, a prominent Tory QC who campaigned for Brexit, describes the claim as “sophistry at best”, adding: “It is quite clear that the interpretation of the laws applying within the UK will continue to be carried out by judges in Luxembourg, with judges in the UK having only a subservient role. “What is even more alarming than the PM’s wholesale abandonment of her promises … is her repeated insistence in the face of reality that she has not abandoned them,” Mr Howe states.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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how can one believe in Britain with this incomptant government in power. they couldn't organize a pi55 up in a brewery.
Button- Location: Dover
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You have to admire his tightrope prose; at this rate he could become the first parliamentarian to escape to the circus.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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And still, after all this time, our pro Brexit arguments are no more developed than patriotic chest thumping and stating "it'll all be alright, they need us more than we need them" and yelling "Project Fear" whenever the evidence suggests otherwise.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It's all right for you Neil, while we are queuing up at the army trucks with our ration books you will have all the sand and oil you can eat where you are.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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It's ok, Howard - I'll make absolutely sure that the UK is at the front of the queue for a trade deal
....and you can all stay with me in 2022!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I still say that Brexit is fake news or a wind up. lol
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Howard, you are still being more than kind in describing our bunch as “negotiators”. They are nothing of the sort, at best they are simply “facilitators”, supposedly sent in to battle for the UK but all the time under the watchful eye and control of the EU loving civil service.
As I think Brian said some time back, “we’ve been stitched up like a kipper”. He’s not too far wrong there, but I didn’t think that scenario would be brought about by our own people supposedly in “government”.
I’ve obviously been far to naive in believing that May & Co., would actually deliver what the majority voted for, but one way or the other, retribution day will come!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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john, I think the word snowflakes is a better word to describe them
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Let's look at the positives here, until two days ago it was too hot to eat which is perfect training for next April when there will be nothing to eat.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A very well-researched article I thought. So, here we are in the HoP 2018 summer recess; I'm having a wry smile to myself because Brexit (although it wasn't called that back then) first appeared as a corporate risk in DHB's Annual Report and Accounts for... 2014.
The wheel's going round in London but the hamster's not at home.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It seems that the EU has prepared citizens for what would happen in the event of their being no leaving deal, our side have done nothing of the sort and left businesses and local authorities helpless.
https://news.sky.com/story/councils-preparing-for-social-unrest-amid-brexit-uncertainty-11455918