Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Press still lagging behind but catching up. More grist for my sceptical mill. Should be able to bake a loaf fairly soon.
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Coronavirus infections in England and Wales peaked several days before the lockdown came in, a new study suggests, indicating that the draconian restrictions were not responsible for the decline in deaths and cases.' [Paywalled, I know, but you'll see the gist of the grist.]
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/04/coronavirus-infections-england-wales-hit-peak-days-lockdown/'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,840
Dover Pilot wrote:Next month perhaps they will float the idea of protecting nursing homes by not sending them NHS covid patients.
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It also emerged last week that Public Health England (PHE) warned in February that elderly people should not be discharged from hospitals to care homes if there was a serious risk of passing on the virus.
However, a letter sent to care providers from NHS England and the government on 19 March, which aimed to free up hospital capacity, ordered “the safe and rapid discharge of those people who no longer need to be in a hospital bed. The new default will be discharge home today”.'
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Figures released by NHS England show 25,060 patients were moved from hospitals to care homes between 17 March and mid-April...'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/07/more-than-half-of-englands-coronavirus-related-deaths-will-be-people-from-care-homes?CMP=share_btn_tw
Admittedly this is the Grauniad chipping away while (still) endorsing 'lockdown'. But I sense, as the wreckage from this colossally nocuous panic policy mounts up, their bums will be squeaking for their part in it, and they won't be looking forward to the public enquiry that'll be headed by Jonathan Sumption.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,840
Trouble is when you inject fear to control behaviour it can be a bit tricky to remove that fear. Basically, it's psychological innit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8439689/Half-Britons-say-WONT-visit-non-essential-shops-month.html
Especially when you compound it with hysterical notices like this local one. Really, if it's like Porton Down in there why would anyone take the risk? Personally I'm not touched by the fear; but any store requiring my obedience to such a dystopian litany of rules and orders can whistle for my money.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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I would go along with them all apart from giving my personal details, as you say they can whistle!
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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If this paranoia is the 'new normal' I'll be spending far less than I did during 'lockdown'. No pubs, trains, restaurants, buses, galleries, cafés, museums, bookshops, theatres, or cinemas for me; no 'I'll just nip in here for a bit' curiosity shopping; all paid memberships cancelled; all donation requests refused. Just head for the lonesome hills with a flask of whisky and a flapjack. A socio-cultural wipeout for sure, though I may just be flush for once. Until the government raid my bank and pension to pay for their cock-up.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,470
Suggest anyone vaguely interested in retail and the High Street, Google's 'Corvid 19 Grimsey Review'.
https://www.the-gazette.co.uk/news/national-news/18530941.covid-19-accelerated-demise-high-street-says-former-iceland-boss/
Once upon a time I spent an awful lot of time attending conferences/meetings on the subject. Gave up when I realised DDC, officers and councillors just did not have the bandwidth to understand what was going on.
Have spoken previously to Bill Grimsey and read his previous reports.
At least he half undersands half of what is happening.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
keep smiling.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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- Posts: 7,470
Social distancing in Leicester.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Same principle of the Liverpool v Atletico Madrid game, or the Cheltenham festival right at the start of all this - where there are mass gatherings, an uptick in cases is sure to follow.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Eid is coming up at the end of the month too, which may provide additional pressure. Kent not doing that well either, I see.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,225
Oh dear.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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oh dear, dover hasnt got a hospital but people still dying in a non exsistant hospital,.
The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
- Posts: 146
This is one of my bug bears. Lets remove a good hospital and build some smaller one ? make the parking outside a Pain in the A**e just to drop people off ?
Buckland was a lovely Hospital all my Kids was born there lovely staff lovely Hospital. Only been up to the new one a couple of time. Very nice Staff are always helpfully.
But whey did they not put back a bit travel up that road is a Nightmare.
Just my thoughts
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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FFS. Now that our wonderful NHS has become better at keeping people alive than killing them (with exceptions made for hospital infections and local birth units), and ambulances (or trucks as they are called at the Ambulance 999 centre where I spent a day) are better fitted out than most hospitals of ten (?) Years ago - who can stabilise most trauma - what you need is 'centres of excellence' where surgeons (for example) are doing loads of the same operation, and you have a kick arse ICU to back them up.
Let's face facts. 'our NHS', the fifth largest employer on the planet is crap compared to most other western health care systems (USA being the exception, they are even worse).
I remember when I was on DDC.
'Why can't we have a local maternity Hospital'?
Because people die during childbirth. The only reason I have a second grandson is because he was born at Homerton hospital. You don't want to know. Kids in the ICU found in parks. Kids born with drug addiction. Not mine. It was complicated. He would have been dead in Buckland.
Meanwhile when it came up at DDC apparently Ashford is a long way from Dover!
FFS. They had nine months to save up the taxi fare ....
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Entrepreneur Simon Dolan's crowdfunded application to seek judicial review of the government's 'lockdown' is being heard today. (Joshua Rozenberg is updating if anyone's interested and on Twitter.)
'I will not be spending my week reminiscing about the NHS clapping, Captain Tom, or the resurgence of the pub quiz – I will be spending it in mourning. For not only does this week mark 100 days since our liberties were stolen, it also marks 100 days of rising inequalities, countless avoidable deaths and the ruin of a generation.'
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