Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I did post on here a couple of weeks back that DDC are in the process of getting the glass cut and etched - they had to put in an order for more panes when the last 3/4 were smashed.
They're also going to remove the grafitti and repaint it, as there is a lot of neglect.
I haven't had an update as to when it will be done though, so I'll chase them up.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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well (tory) peter looks like we agree on this one.
whilst fully understanding why some would want to move the shelter, do we always give in to the vandals
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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If the answer is CCTV then there must be somebody in one of the overlooking houses who would be prepared to stick a bog standard video camera in their window pointing at the tram shelter and recording on a hard drive. Cheap 'n' easy.
If they stick a webcam in their window then anybody in Dover or the rest of the world can see if some toerag is up to mischief. The one on Snargate Street is an example of one such perusing a similar road junction:
http://www.historexagents.com/shop/cam.php
We have only three webcams in Dover that I am aware of, apart from the visiting cruise ships. Here is the view from the webcam on the Emerald Princess presently berthed on the Admiralty Pier. Usually they are BridgeCams showing the view forward but this one is showing Samphire Hoe and Shakespeare Cliff so is pointing aft, possibly they turn it to point forward when they leave. The big cruise ships, such as this giant, usually have several webcams so that you can select them individually.
http://www.princess.com/bridgecams/ep/emerald_bridgecam.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
what do you suggest to save the shelter?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
i'm a pleb in such matters, but there has been a number of suggestions such as cctv, my fear is that every time something is vanalised we lock it away, thats not a good way to go forward for the future
contact with police to get them to spend more time around the area to see if the culprits an be identified, maybe even plain clothes.
contact with locals living close to the shelter to see if they can/wood help if there around all the time
lots of options
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Keith
I think you are on the right tack. Isn't this something that the Dover Society might take up as a cause? If local schools were leafleted and information on the history given out it MIGHT make a difference. Approaching the local residents too may prove fruitful. Let's try everything before we give in.
This makes sense. It is an opportunity to reach out to local groups, and to educate younger people about their local history and their environment. Longer term it makes more sense and provides a springboard opportunity. Nice one!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i cannot go along with the education thing, the vast majority of kids do not go around vandalising things.
the small hard core that do would be encouraged to do more damage if they thought it would upset people.
Education is rarely inappropriate!The kids who don't vandalise - and you are right they are the majority - will learn something, and it may just spark a lifelong interest, who knows.
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It's also a community thing and schools are expected to be at the heart of their communities nowadays so it could be a good vehicle for some joint initiative between school and locals. It's got to be worth a try.
I would also look at cutting back the vegetation or somehow making the shelter look more prominent.
If my memory serves me right isn't the drinking trough in the Market Square originally from here too?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the drinking trough was at elms vale, people sometimes refer to the shelter as the trough.
anyway getting back to the shelter, what do we do with it in the meantime?
if education does work, it would only be as a long term solution, no good for a structure that is on its last legs.
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Following on from Mark's comment about schools, maybe the Boys Grammar or Astor might be interested in learning about the shelter's history and adopting it.
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Here is an image from before the Shelter with the Trough (which is apparently now in the Market Square). From the Ivan Green collection
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Jan
I think that would be an excellent idea and isn't Vale View Primary school just up the road? Plenty of these pupils must live in the area and are just the people to get involved. If the sense of community ownership can be created then I would imagine the shelter is more likely to survive. It is an historic structure that should be being celebrated not hidden away.
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The Dover Society are keeping an eye on the situation
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sheila, those tram tracks would be needed now, especially since Scotland's oil-fields are running dry!
Brian Dixon
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alex,what and how are they going to run the trams with.backed beans,naturel gas,petrol,diesel or pedel power.
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Sheila
can you add any more to that?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So there are a number of options before going the route of moving the shelter
letrs get to it
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, electricity would be a viable option.
But as I mentioned earlier in the thread, to lay out tram-tracks would probably be a consideration for the future, when oil is so expensive, that many people can not afford to run a car.
It really depends on how one makes a projection into the future, either by looking only one year ahead, five years, or twenty years. One has to anlyse the imput data that goes into a projection, and work out how long oil will be readily available on the world market, and how much demand there is and will be for it. And whether oil prices could go up to unsustainable levels.
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