Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As the tram shelter is Grade II listed, I expect graffiti and vandalism might well be prosecutable under Heritage Crime.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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who will prosecute and who will be prosecuted though?
miscreants have to be brought to book first.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Thank you Howard, found it.
Presumably the fence goes round behind the shelter? I would [easy to say] make sure that the trees/bushes were cut back at the sides, replace broken panes with stout glass. It is not in the best place for much imagination to be used on it. I can think of many reasons for not providing seating, but then again without seating it is only likely to be of use to loiterers. If it is to stay put efforts will have to be made to keep it in top notch condition. It is one thing for 'yobs' to idly destroy something and quite another for the council to ignore it's plight.
I wonder how it looks at night for it's position seems to be ignored by the street lighting?
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Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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I must say I've seen it looking in a worse state than it now is. It has been the subject of vandalism, graffiti, etc for years. Surely there's more important things to work on improving in the town.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It might be that one day Dover decides to lay out a set of new tram tracks along Folkestone Road, for example if petrol becomes too expensive.
In this case the tram shelter would have its original status back.
I'm not saying next week, but who knows, one day in the future.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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To move this piece of history would be committing Hari Kari, a lot of people would be up in arms by this, they tried to have it moved a few years ago, but local people objected, I for one would canvas not to have it moved, don't give in to vandals. we give in to these mindless souls, we will have nothing left to preserve
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if people living nearby cared about it they would go out of the house when they heard breaking glass and either stopped the vandals or called the police.
i would urge anyone to go and see it for themselves.
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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Sad to see 'The Trough' (to give the shelter its proper name in Dovorian parlance) fall foul to the imbeciles again.
Best thing for The Trough would be to move it somewhere such as the outdoor area of Cullins Yard; at least there it will be safer, still visible and would make a nice quirky feature for everyone to enjoy. Anyone care to suggest this to Mr Gleeson?
Failing that, save the poor thing once and for all by taking it up to Dover's lovely but ridiculously out-of-the-way transport museum in Planet Whitfield.
Keith Sansum1
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sheiela keep up the goo fight
i would suggest you keep your ears to the ground, last time the council tried to do it on the quiet and pure chance i got to hear.
watch out sheila it happen so quick
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Guest 707- Registered: 1 Dec 2010
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That bus shelter/ horse trough has always been a target for vandals/ graffitti artists. I remember one of my first boyfriends declaring his love for me on that shelter. He also chalked his love for me on random paving slabs to my house on Folkestone road. That was back in the early 80's.
Would be sad to see it go, It has very fond memories for me.
However bus shelters are and always will be a place for youth to meet up. Maybe it is time for the trough to end it's days in a museum.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The shelter has lots of memories for me too, my late husband used to stand and wait for the pit bus to pick him up for work there, and I used to have to go round the shelter to go up Folkestone road to work at the shirt factory that once stood on the corner of Shakespeare Road, it was love at first sight, never had anyone else and never wanted anyone else, spent a lot of time in that shelter. The shelter must stay, otherwise the corner will become an eyesore, once upon a time the houses behind it took pride in how they looked and how the tram shelter looked, the hedges round it was always kept neat and tidy, but alas today the houses look as though they could do with a tenant in them that cares, leave the shelter alone many people still sit there even if it has no glass in it.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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This Grade 2 listed shelter should be moved if it is to be protected from the mindless idiots who are ruining it.
What does a vandalised feature like this say about out town. Does it say this is a town that does not care what happens to lovely structures like this, we know this is untrue but will a visitor.
I understand why Lorna and Sheila do not want it moved it is part of their past but things have to change sometimes and they have their memories that last will forever.
Sadly some things have to change otherwise the town would stagnate. Moving the shelter would be for the better if we want to preserve it in safety.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Jan, it depends on whether we wish to preserve the town or preserve the shelter. If we want to just preserve the shelter- to the transport museum it goes, no question. If we want to keep the town intact complete with the shelter, it's the mindless scrotes who vandalise it who need moving. Treat it as heritage crime, put CCTV on it and pursue the criminals.
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Preserve be blowed, I just want blood. Mindless toerags with compost for brains.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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vandalism and cctv are wider issues, we have to accept that low level crime will continue to increase.
the pressing issue is how we save the shelter for future generations.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Compost has its uses.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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No Howard we do not have to accept that at all.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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peter
the council are cutting back on cctv as far as i know, and the police are cutting numbers.
you said earlier that where you are you had never seen a p.c.s.o. in 6 years.
how do we stop vandalism if the people that live next door to a vandalised structure just accept it?
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The shelter should stay, its not just for my memories but for future generations to come, this is our history, the great history Dover has, look how many visitors come to see Dovers history, move the shelter and that part of history will be lost, it will not be the same stuck in a museum. Don't give in to these mindless idiots, we did not give in to Hitler so why give in to these pieces of s***
Compost was the polite version................