Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You are right Howard and the party will take over to become the UK 3rd major party over the next few years.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite possibly vic, i think our yellow friends will suffer badly at the next council elections.
their supporters, generally speaking do not like the link up with the blues.
i suspect that some blues may well go over to ukip, leaving it with the blues and reds going head to head with ukip as the 3rd party.
only time will tell.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do think you are right on that one Howard,I am hoping we get more coming forward for the next local elections,but I do not think it will be me anymore,but you never know.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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UKIP could vanish overnight, if the Government would honour the promises made by successive generations of their forebears and give the country the referendum on the EU we have been promised since Vic was a teenager.
True friends stab you in the front.
Doeasn't that imply UKIP is a one trick pony? Take away the trick and there is nothing left. Is that really the limit of UKIP's ambition?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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left me a little confused, we have a large number of candidates from the party due to stand in the forthcoming council elections.
the european union would not be an issue then.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I can not talk for the chairman,but as for me the local council elections means just that, and we will be taken up what is happing or not happing in the wards,in the town,and last in the District, sorry one more the parishs. I hope we can get candidates standing for them all,but the top one will be District council then Town and last parish,s .But our Chairman will know more about it than me.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Doesn't imply anything of the sort, Sid. It's simply an acknowledgement that a good number of UKIP supporters are disaffected Tories fed up with their views being ignored. All it would take to bring many back into the fold is for the Government to hold a referendum on continued membership of the EU; UKIP supporters are democrats, not anarchists, and if the result were a 'Yes' vote then I'd bet that many would rejoin Cameron's mob. The problem is that this Government, along with umpteen before it, are running scared of a 'No' vote.
As for the local elections, Vic, no decision has been made locally yet. I think that the locals could be an opportunity to try to win some seats so that we can try to gain some experience in our local politicians before the next GE. There are some national policies that could be applied to local policies, but largely UKIP policies are regional, national and European.
However, I believe Vic will want to stand if only to show that his fierce opposition to the sale of the Port remains undiminished - and why not? Can't someone who holds strong local views stand under whatever banner he chooses? Give me Vic any day over the majority of the wets at Whitfield who stand by and watch the town struggle on...........
True friends stab you in the front.
Andy/Vic/Alexander, would appreciate reading your views of this website and it's contents as there are a number of alarming items relating to UKIP Party members behaviour being discussed by ex-members:
http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/2010/01/contact-lordpearson.html
THanks
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have read it ,and it is aload of rubbish put out some one or group or even a party to try and get rid of UKIP as it stands today.
Sid, in a nutshell, this is simply an anti-UKIP website. There are also others.
"Junius" has been spouting this rubbish for years now. You can believe what they say if you wish but most of the items are based on half-truths or mis-conceptions, especially as "Junius" has his own political agenda.
In a way it just shows how well UKIP are doing in that some people are now so worried that they feel the need to set up websites to cast accusations in order to belittle the UKIP leadership and some of its members etc.
I gave up even bothering to read this bile some time back. I just had better things to do!
I realise that this isn`t the answer that you actually want of course!
It helps John as I only stumbled into this website by accident and was taken aback by what I read; hence the request for the views of our UKIP chums on here.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well you have had just that Sid it is all rubbish.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sid, I didn't get round to opening the site you suggested, have been working hard lately, becoming seld-emplyed and also writing articles. last night I was up till 3 writing, after a busy day of gardening.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Well, we had a small committee meeting last night, the first under the new chairman (me!), and I have to say that I'm inspired by the drive and passion of our committee. We have plenty of work to do, some of which involves an amount of morale building, but I came away really impressed with the guys at the top of our local branch. I hope that we can get our message to a younger audience and attract younger members with that - it won't be easy, but there is a strong will there, and where there's a will there's a way.....
I must have missed the story - either I'm an ostrich or workload meant I didn't look at the news when the story broke - but I'm appalled to learn that the UK has been fined £150m for not flying the EU flag in EU-funded development programmes display boards. £150m - 150 MILLION pounds; if that's not a prime example of the EU shafting Great Britain and classic overreaction to mind numbing bureacracy, what is? Does it not show contempt for this country, and for common sense, at a time when every penny really does matter?
Just occasionally I find my own resolve at wanting out of Europe tested - am I being, as Sid contemptuously calls me, a 'Little Englander'? Then this sort of nonsense raises its ugly head and I answer my own question by saying that if I am, it's better than being EU sheep fodder. £150m for failing to show a flag; it beggars belief even amongst EU ideology, in itself a test of one's sanity.
True friends stab you in the front.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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with regard to ukip gaining the support of younger voters, that will be extremely difficult due to all the changes from independence to eec then to ec then eu happening either before they were born or when still at school.
most probably wonder why we haven't joined the currency.
the 150 million quid fine was mentioned on here a week or so back, one of our members suggested that we do the same as the french and not pay it.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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I think you're right, Howie. Getting younger voters into UKIP will not be easy - but then a straw poll taken of 6th formers at the General Election showed that 17% would have voted UKIP, so there is some support out there - it's up to us to find a way of getting them to join up.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well Done Andy,at your first meeting as chairman,and I know you are just the person for the job,and we are all behind you,it will be hard geting younger ones with us but with the new way of thinking with in UKIP it can be done ,I think by taking part in next years locals will help in geting new members young and older ones and I would like to see more ladys coming forward and joining up with us and standing at the next years locals,as for myself I might stand again for District and if I do it will be the River Ward.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well Done Andy,at your first meeting as chairman,and I know you are just the person for the job,and we are all behind you,it will be hard geting younger ones with us but with the new way of thinking with in UKIP it can be done ,I think by taking part in next years locals will help in geting new members young and older ones and I would like to see more ladys coming forward and joining up with us and standing at the next years locals,as for myself I might stand again for District and if I do it will be the River Ward.
Just like to say, being pro-Europe doesn't necessarily mean being soft on Europe. My view is we don't pay the fine and tell them quite bluntly where to stick it.