Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Nope, Howard, that party in post 100 is not anything to do with me.
Neither do I belong to Jan's previous party in post 92.
I don't deal with skin colours either, as I don't run a solarium.
Keith Sansum1
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I wonder where alexander comes from most of the time
he doesnt want to restrict peoples beliefs yet only wants christianity taught in schools
he doesnt vote yet thinks UKIP iis great?
finks labour will next election, yet in other threads says they wont
says everyone shoukd have choice, but pushing christinianity down everyones throats
Im confused
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Keith, I'm afraid that many people are not consistent in their views or the logic of their arguments from one sentence to the next, let alone from one thread to another or even one post to another in the same thread, Alexander is no exception. I would say more (about absolute Truth and how important it is to consistency) but know that whatever I write will be wilfully misinterpreted one way or another by some, or many, other posters who do not hold the same views on truth as do I.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, Keith sometimes uses a 45 record and never even changes over.
Then when it gets stuck.... it will just keep bouncing on the same line.
Keith has a view that to stand up in favour of teaching the Christian Faith in British schools is equivalent to forcing it onto people.
It will go on...and on ..... and on.......
As I've explained previously, we were taught the Faith in British schools from small on, so as far as I am concerned, Keith is trying to smash to pieces something that comes from the British State before my time, and which I was born into, and which I uphold.
The idea does not originate from me.
Keith is trying to smash to pieces the British culture I was brought up on, while attempting to claim "it came from me".
It didn't! I only uphold what I learnt at school in Britain.
Had I not been taught the Christian Faith at school, I might not even be sitting here now.
I am a child of the schooling I received in Britain, and I chose to adhere to this culture and Faith.
And am upholding it for future generations, and am not the only one.
If our Country were invaded, I am prepared to stand and fight and even die for our Country and People, and for this reason I have the right to stand up for our Christian culture and Faith.
I will not be bullied by Labour commissar-type propaganda into reneging the Christian Faith and retracting from proclaiming it as our Country's sole official Faith.
As stated the other day, I am not infringing the British Law on this matter, or offending the crowds here in Dover.
My Dad served 22 years in the British Army so that Keith could have the right to express his opinions; he also risked his life in military operations and saw fighting on the battlefield.
But the Country he served is Christian, and this Country taught me the Faith at school!
Keith is trying to single me out as an alien and trying to make believe that what I stand for on this issue does not come from the Country I was brought up in, but from "me".
In reality, it is the other way round.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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At school in North Camp we were taught to love our Country and we were all children of Army servicemen.
I am not the person to be bullied into reneging and retracting, I will not give in to commissar-style propaganda directed at the values we were brought up on.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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What a reaction,
Now lets reply to some of that,
Without doubt I have no problem christinaty taught in schools, but in a real world and to inform our children theres nothing wrong in teaching there are other faiths to.
No one is bullying anyone we have viewpoints on here,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they didn't teach christianity at my school other than sing/mime a hymn at assembly.
we had a subject called "religious knowledge" but that was more about various religions.
Jan Higgins
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Exactly how I was taught Howard, I was also taught about other religions and as a result I realised there was good and bad to be found in all of them. It is all down to people and how they practice their chosen religion.
I have met several of the ultra religious in the past and must admit I did not like their attitude to the rest of us ordinary folk very much, they were far to narrow minded and blinkered about their chosen faith.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The reason they taught the Christian Faith at school in North Camp is because it's the official Faith of Britain as professed by the Church of England, and therefore the official Faith of the Army.
In Dover I attended St. Mary's C/E school with the same results.
Bringing this thread in relation to UKIP, I cannot understand why this party is afraid to openly profess the Christian Faith of Britain as the official State Faith and part of that party's foundation for the future.
As I have given this as one reason for my reserves when considering UKIP, why does Keith keep going on... and on.... trying single me out over an issue that has been explained?
I will not be converted to Libertarian no-faith policies and absolutely reject the idea that Church and State should be separate.
Keith has a different view, but I don't keep coming back and charging at him because of it.
So, as we can see here, it is Keith who keeps trying to force something onto someone - and onto others; Keith is intolerant in matters of Faith, and tries to single me out because of a decision of mine to withhold my vote owing to a matter of Faith.
And yet, I have not harangued Keith for voting, or for not voting.
Then Keith turns it around and claims I am "forcing" people.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not sure that there is a state faith alex, if there is there certainly shouldn't be - we have a complex mixture of religions in this country and others that don't believe in anything spiritual.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thats exactly it howard
no one is gong for alexander
it is alexander who refuses to recognise other faiths, forcing only his christian beliefs on everyone.
im more flexible and feel all faiths should be taught so that children in time can make there own minds up
aa jan says)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Christianity, as upheld by the Church of England, is the official State Faith of Britain, and of England.
Keith is trying to force Atheism and Islam on everyone.
I bitterly resent this!
Brian Dixon
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nothing of the sort alex,it seems that yore getting a bit paranoid about it.any away every body to there own thing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
i find it hard to imagine keith waving a copy of the koran in the air and shouting alluh akbar to us infidels.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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no im forcing nothing on anyone
im the one who says lets look at everything
its alexander who is forcing ONLY christianity on everyone
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well this proves the point that Keith wants either to exchange Christianity as our State Faith for Atheism, or to put Islam equal to the Christian Faith in all British schools.
This implies demolishing the Christian Faith from the status of official State Faith and forcing onto Britain an Atheist status or an Islamist one.
If people do not wake up now, they may wake up one day to find it is all done through the backdoor:
that their children are coming home from school with Islamist teachings or - if taught to be atheists - with a hatred of anything spiritual to do with the Holy Scriptures.
In order for the 1984 state to be imposed, the Christian Faith would first need to be abolished.
Once Atheism were introduced at school and at State level, through FORCING it onto us - as Keith wants - then Islamism would take over as the only religion in Britain.
This is evidently what Keith is trying to achieve.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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What im achieving is an open door debate
let the children make there own minds up
rather than push one religion
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Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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If I had to choose, I'm with Alexander D on this one! Just saying.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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as i am pauline
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I am a non believer,so why cant I be an atheist or a pagen without some one pushing christanty in my face.