UKIP and the new setup in Dover
- 24 February 2013 20:24217368keith
your adopted party has to be very careful who they let in, an alf garnett wing will not do them any good.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ugly-face-of-ukip-sunday-mirror-1531879 - Brian Dixon
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24 February 2013 21:10217370sounds quite dire,akin to the bnp and other partys of the same thinking. - 24 February 2013 22:42217399
- Keith Sansum1
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25 February 2013 08:03217424definatly need to weed out he racists
but also be tolerant with those with views that are in line with ukip policyALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 25 February 2013 11:30217455Nigel Farage tried to make headway is Scotland, but recently, as the Herald Scotland reports, UKIP's leader said that "he had no issue with Scotland deciding its own destiny".
And: "Nigel Farage warned Alex Salmond he would be 'naive in the extreme' to assume the rest of the UK would simply wave through a generous exit package for Scotland in the event of a Yes vote in 2014."
So UKIP do not have the intention to consider England and Scotland as equal constituents of Britain, and if the two Countries separated, would evidently hang on to the rest of Britain and make a money-issue out of a separation within the United Kingdom.
But if the United Kingdom Independence Party represented all the Country it purports to represent, namely the United Kingdom, it would never consider the possibility of taking sides with one part against the other if this Union broke up.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 12:02217460cannot see how the scots would get a hand out if they decided to go their own way, would defeat the very object of them being independent.
- 25 February 2013 17:02217529Well it's extremely interesting, Howard.
The United Kingdom Independence Party by name would be expected to represent within its core values as much Scotland as England.
But in the case of a separation, where would UKIP stand?
If they ceased to hold true to their name, taking sides with one Constituent member against the other, or claiming to represent three Constituent members against one, then they'd have to give up their party's name.
Clearly, Nigel Farage spoke to the Herald Scotland as an Englander.
So the Scots could see how long the "UK" part of the name held in Farage's heart, and probably sussed out that Farage doesn't have any hidden treasures stowed away in his perspective of the Scots.
Shepherd and the unwanted black sheep comes to mind. Or: little time on my mind to bother about the Scots.
And: £This is a money issue£Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 17:10217530no alex the united kingdom would then be england, wales and northern ireland so no name change would be required.
- 25 February 2013 18:14217538The above is right we would still be a UK. But Scotland will vote to stay in the UK the history of both will kick in and they will still need our cash that amount they get now I would think is more then they would get out of the EU.But only time will tell.
- Brian Dixon
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25 February 2013 18:42217542maybe its time to resarect adrians wall and put a few roman soliers on patrol - 25 February 2013 19:08217550Scotland has paid much more into the British Treasury than the Treasury has paid back to Scotland.
British North Sea oil and gas comes from Scottish waters, and the corporation tax paid on company profits stemming from Scottish oil and gas is 25%.
Nigel Farage needs to get an education!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 19:09217551Scotland could use the same terms towards the British Treasury that Farage uses towards the EU:
we pay £50 a day and get nothing back
Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 20:30217558Howard, post 28, UKIP would have to change their name, because without Scotland there is no United Kingdom.
The United Kingdom is a unity of three Kingdoms. England, Scotland and Ireland.
Wales is not a kingdom.
The larger part of the Irish Kingdom left the Union, and Northern Ireland is not a kingdom, but part of one (Ireland).
England would be the only Kingdom left, and that is not enough to be a Union, not even by including the Kingdom of Kent, as Kent united with Wessex, and Wessex became a part of the One English Kingdom.
The British Constitution recognises all England as one Kingdom, and even Nigel Farage cannot change the Constitution on the Union.
He simply does not know what he's saying, when he sounds off in Scotland!
Without Scotland, there is no United Kingdom!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 20:31217559Scotland Forever!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 21:01217562Alexander D wrote:Howard, post 28, UKIP would have to change their name, because without Scotland there is no United Kingdom.
The United Kingdom is a unity of three Kingdoms. England, Scotland and Ireland.
Wales is not a kingdom.
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Alex, look at your passport (if you have one), it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, if Scotland left wouldn't it be it would be GB that would be affected?
btw1, that's why it's Team GB at the Olympics, the Olympic Committee recognise Eire and NI as one nation, so the UK has to compete as Team GB without NI.
btw2, next time you're in Scotland check Channel 8 on tv and ask yourself why we haven't got that. - 25 February 2013 22:45217578Ray, Great Britain MEANS England, Scotland and Wales.
The "Great" has a geographical meaning, in the sense of Greater Britain, the Greater Island (England, Scotland and Wales) with the relatively smaller islands, such as Isle of White.
For which reason Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, as geographically it is part of another relatively large island, called Ireland.
Thus you prove me right, and Great Britain and Northern Ireland together form the United Kingdom, which is what I posted above.
Now stop trying to argue and learn here:
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2013 22:53217580seems like your can of cider has been opened alex.
- 26 February 2013 01:59217582However, the name "Britain" (not Great Britain) includes Northern Ireland, for which reason "Britain" has the same meaning as "United Kingdom".
But to understand why "United Kingdom" is in its constitutional understanding a Union of three Kingdoms, see also the Union Jack (synonym for Union Flag), which has the national Emblems - in the sense of Crosses - of England, Scotland and Ireland. But not of Wales (which is a dragon). The Union Jack also has the Blue of the Scottish Flag as background.
Now really, did Nigel Farage know this, before tooting out in Scotland?
That he would have to change the composition of the Union Flag if Scotland left the Union.
But then UKIP uses the £ symbol.
(we pay 50 of 'em ev'ry day to the EU).
And see also the term: Prince of Wales, historically referred to the heir to the English throne.
The English Monarchy under Henry the somethingth (3rd or 4th maybe) introduced this title to appease the Welsh, whose Country had just been incorporated into the English Kingdom.
Apparently it gave the Welsh a feeling of .... something ... importance, perhaps.
The reason the English Monarchy did not consider Wales a kingdom, was because they found the Country, on entering it armed with mace and shield, as a federation of principalities, independent from each other.
The Welsh dispute this was the case, though.
Actually it was a Norman aristocracy that conquered Wales, probably the same which had conquered England (not Kent) some generations earlier. Kent received the title of "Invicta" for not surrendering to William the B..., but rather coming to an agreement with him.
The English also nicked the Welsh longbow and used it against the French and the Scots with devastating effect.
However, the Scots retorted with the pike, to stop the English cavalry charges.
Finally, the Saint Patrick Cross is currently not the national Emblem either of the Republic of Ireland, or of Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland uses the Saint George Cross with a hand in the middle.
So, in conclusion, without Scotland, there would be one Kingdom (England), a Principality (Wales), and part of a Kingdom (Northern Ireland). A principality is not a Kingdom, so we would lose our title of "United Kingdom", our Union Flag, our incomes (Scotland 's oil and gas and Scotland's corporation taxes), and be lumbered with Nigel Farage.
Now back to my milk.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Brian Dixon
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26 February 2013 06:19217584alex has your milk got trases of horse and pig dna in it by any chance.if i was you i would get it tested. - 26 February 2013 07:25217590What has to do with the local setup of UKIP? if we can get back to that.or this post should be left to go into history of the Dover Forum and come back out when the setup is running.