Uk Political parties
- 8 August 2012 19:23186474What exactly do the main political parties stand for?
Who do they profess to represent?
It seems to me that all these parties have become so alike, it hard to tell them apart
Conservative members, and core voters, are upset that the party doesn't reflect there views.
Labour party members and core voters, are upset that the party doesn't reflect there views.
The liberals to!
Just haw did these parties become so out of touch with uk voters? - 8 August 2012 19:34186477in a nutshell they all suck up to big business, the main pair to get funding, why the yellows do i cannot answer.
additionally they all speak to us but never seem to listen. - 9 August 2012 00:15186502Power, Keith!
Making tremendous decisions ultimately comes down to the policy makers.
The last time I tried contacting a political party on a policy, was when I presented my fast-food-diet article, a long time ago...
They got back to me promising they't pass it on to the policy-team, but this team never got back to me.
Surely, Keith, this explains everything: "we dine out in restaurants, and you folk... now go and eat your fast-food meal"
After which, perhaps a year or two later, the media tells us that, according to the powers that be, we are costing the State too much money owing to being the most obese people on Earth.
That brings me back to my fast-food-diet article: how much cheap and nasty fat is hidden in fast-food?
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 9 August 2012 08:04186520Political Parties to fast food - it can only happen here
Keith
Political Parties that are out to win power (which is the purpose they have) need support from a broad consensus of the electorate and that means that all serious Parties have to have compromises on policy.
Labour's 'church' runs from the old 'industrial left' to the middle class left, from what are near-communists in their outlook to others who are much more moderate. A whole spectrum from left to middle.
The Conservative Party runs from those who are indistinguishable from Labour's right to the more traditional Conservative right. In other words a spectrum from middle to right.
That is an over simplification and some people can be 'right' on economic affairs and 'left' on social affairs or visa versa.
It really is values that count and, as I said, each party is made up of a spectrum of belief. But you are more likely to encounter particular and different values associated with each party.
For instance:
If someone is in the Labour Party they are more likely to believe in high taxation and government spending and collective action to deal with issues.
If someone is in the Conservative Party they are more likely to believe in low taxation and less government intervention with a belief in the individual to deal with issues.
Labour also has roots in the 'international movement' and are less inclined to being nationalistic than Conservatives. They are therefore more likely to be republican.
Labour supporters are also generally more socially liberal than Conservatives. They are more likely to oppose corporal and capital punishment. They are more likely to be against competition in schools and more in favour of the 'all must have prizes' dogma stemming from a core belief in equality. They are also much more likely to believe in political correctness.
Conservative tend to be much more traditional in outlook and pro-business.
As for the LibDems - who knows. They don't seem to know themselves and say what their audience want to hear. In some ways they can be more left wing than Labour and in other ways nearly as 'dry' as many on the Conservative right. A classic protest party trying to be all things to all men.
The other smaller parties are essentially based around single issues and/or appeal to a small section of society. People who are unwilling to compromise in one respect to win in another way. This is why they will never win power. - 9 August 2012 08:39186528interesting explanation barry but do either of the main 2 listen to their core support?
the reds failed to listen theirs over the effects of eastern european immigration and the blues are not listening to theirs over things like environmentalism and hs2. - 9 August 2012 08:54186530Howard - it sometimes feels that way but we all have to accept that sometimes government need to make decisions in the interests of the nation and not in their narrow interests, at least as they the government sees the national interest that is. If governments just did what is popular among their supporters and the nation as a whole then the country would not be well governed. Hopefully though enough can be done that is popular to secure re-election and keep members happy. This is where the real world and compromise are important.
Just to add to that. In situations such as now when there are two parties in coalition we get the worse of both worlds that satisfies no-one as far too many compromises are needed leaving the natural supporters of both parties out in the cold and often the national interest not served either. - 9 August 2012 17:53186616So both the liberal party and the conservative party are out of the control of the membership.
Tail waging the dog - 9 August 2012 19:27186648It does not work that way Keith.
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9 August 2012 19:36186652it seems like it barry.
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9 August 2012 19:37186653Barryw did give a very simplistic view, but it is far wider that all of that.
many in the labour party would approve of corporal punishment and even the extremes like the birch/hanging etc.
many within the labour party would oppse political correctness in many forms
on the whole there is a mixed bag out there.
for many issues labour and conservative can be seen to be alike, but thats because of any policies but more to do with peoples memories of the MP's expenses scandal, where eyes were opened and people struggling to survive don't forget.
There are not many issues that barryw and I would ever agree on, but one or two subjects we can come close on.ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 9 August 2012 19:39186655barry
the problem with your party is that the envelope stuffers and door knockers do not see dave and george as like them.
mrs t was seen as one of them, lower middle class, extolling the virtues of thrift etc.
if she had led the majority in a coalition she would have let it be known that the yellows are there only under sufference and kept them down with a sweetener thrown to them now and then. - 9 August 2012 19:42186657And they would be Keith??
Well the liberals will extract themselves soon.
And the conservative will have to grovel for votes from a very angry public.
Tax cuts for the rich, Reengaging on EU vote, cuts to immigration.
And all that stuff - Keith Sansum1
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9 August 2012 19:43186658In all honestly the lib dems are a spent force, the only thing holding this cobbled together govt together is the tories and lib dems knowing alone would be a disaster for them bothALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 10 August 2012 16:06186738Barry, a party is where all the participants (party - to participate) are seated around tables and partake (partake-party) in the common meal. See also House of Commons.
On the day a party is anything other than this, it is no longer a party.
The destiny of a Nation is discussed in common, when people gather to talk and make decisions.
One rule of a party is not to belittle a participant.
Children should not be shouted at, but talked to and have something explained to them.
Adults should bear responsibility. All participants need to be responsible.
There need to be guidelines, and I thought that one of these would be to make sure people eat proper food.
Are you giving me the impression that my views in society do not count?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 10 August 2012 17:35186744you take a very utopian view alex, our political parties have no real interest in what their members think.
we should all just be grateful for the opportunity to pay membership dues and do all the dirty work at election time. - 11 August 2012 08:08186763No matter how the rank and file feel.. whether left out, cheated or haemorraged..the guys at the top are making political capital out of the Olympics. Boris has been high flying...on a zipwire in one instance....and has put himself about bigtime in the true spirit of Olympian politicking. With one eye on massive publicity and the other eye on the future...ol Boris knows how to milk the crowd for max return. is this just buffoonery as was said previously or a clever manoeuvre towards the top.
Here is a bit from the BBC ( not the picture ).......
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David Cameron has described Mayor of London Boris Johnson as a "titan" of the Conservative Party who has "a lot more to give the country".
Speaking on ITV's Daybreak, the prime minister said he wanted the mayor to be "as ambitious as possible".
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Reading between the gobbledegook this appears to show David Cameron... who has also been milking the Olympics to max effect but has anyone seen Eddie Boy Miliband?.... giving Boris the green light for a future stint as PM. I cannot think of any other meaning for the above piece. The George Osborne stock value has gone south, dropping faster than a facebook shareprice..so the field is now well and truly clear for the mass appeal of Boris Johnson. In this instance they will listen to the rank and file. There are no other serious rivals for the role of Conservative leader...for PM? well there is always Ed Miliband in the wings waiting to spoil the blue political view.email: dover7@msn.com - 11 August 2012 08:51186768indeed dave and boris have been head and shoulders above the rest in making political capital out of the olympics, both showing concern about more competitive sports being played in primary schools.
in a few weeks time it will all be forgotten and the dire state of the economy will take the headlines again. - 11 August 2012 09:14186775Boris has had a great Olympics Cameron has the tag ``Cameron`s Curse`` Where
ever he has attended British Olympians have not succeeded.........they have feared their
coach telling them Cameron is here..................
- 11 August 2012 10:01186782BarryW.
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I agree that "government need to make decisions in the interests of the nation and not in their narrow interests, at least as they the government sees the national interest that is. If governments just did what is popular among their supporters and the nation as a whole then the country would not be well governed"
That is exactly what is not happening now and is the reason we are in this mess. The ConDems, or at least the Con part of it, are only continuing with their " Narrow Interests" and don't give a stuff about the nation."My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 11 August 2012 18:18186818Courtesy Independent..........
And the Olympic gold for political opportunism goes to Prime Minister David Cameron
The PM has tried to take maximum advantage of every Team GB success.............
Unfortunately when ever he turned up..Brits lost....but when he watched on TV Brits won.
Full report in todays Independent.......
