8 November 2010
16:5279140Jolly good Keith, for those who might have missed your thousand replies:-
1. Are you in favour of Grammar Schools?
2. Were you to have a child who had passed the Kent Test (which I note is not obligatory) would you wish him/her to take up a place in a Grammar School?????
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 November 2010
16:5979142i think this grammar school issue has been done to death now, everyone is just saying the same thing.
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8 November 2010
17:3979145Howard - this post is about straight answers and we see that Keith does not want to answer a simple straight question with a simple straight answer.
One up for Charlie for giving a straight simple answer to a straight simple question - despite attempts to portray it wrongly. The point I made earlier is answered now fully...
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8 November 2010
18:1679148Keith, the chance for a one liner mate!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 November 2010
18:1779149barry
i looked back on the previous page and posts 62,63,67,69,70,71,74,77,79,80 were a collection of the same question from you and bob and the same answer from keith.
i have not replied to your last one about charlie for the reason that i see no point, we have to agree to differ.
people looking in will see this thread turning into a private chat room.
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8 November 2010
18:2879153It was a simple question Howard that required a simple answer that is not forthcoming. All it takes is a yes or no - if he wishes to add some reasons for the answer he gives so much the better.
For quite a few years Keith was our KCC member and even then he would not give a straight answer to the same question despite the KCC schools responsibility. I cannot remember him ever giving the mysterious 'long' answer he claims to have once given, certainly not in reply to my question. There is nothing wrong with a yes or no after all and it is a question well tailored to a simple yes or no, unlike some.
It is an issue in which he has always been very shy about indeed and he is proving the point I made about straight answers to straight questions from politicians....
Jan Higgins
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8 November 2010
18:3379154Howard, the children are just bickering again
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Keith, if you would just say yes or no or a link to your previous answer on the grammar school question it would have helped.
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8 November 2010
18:3979156Now now Jan - it is proving a point, he will not give such an answer, sadly.
Ross Miller
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8 November 2010
21:1179182oh a plague on both your houses for playing silly point scoring games
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8 November 2010
21:2079184It's like a kindergarten on here at times.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 November 2010
21:3179187jan, ross and dave1, i hope you realise that blue barry and keith will go for my throat now!!.
what annoys me is that both are stalwarts of the forum and post great stuff in different styles.
Keith Sansum1
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8 November 2010
22:3779199Barryw/Bob
I don't believe a yes/no answer is enough and I will now go into explanation.
I do oppose grammar schools, and the trauma it causes primary school children who both do make it, and of course worse, those that don't.
I t still is for a select few, and without doubt unfair to other hildren attending state schools.
I'm sure f state schools could afford to have 20 n a class they would do as well, but many do even without this.
Without doubt backgrounds of family has a big bearing on childrens futures,
certainly its fair to say what used to be called workg class backgrounds, a few will get through the system, but in the main they lose out.
Just to show this is something i have posted on before, iI told the story of the labour party debate locally on wantng to oppose grammar schools, as usual i got up and said how can we go on the doorstep opposing grammar schools when the MP 's daughter attended grammar schools, tthe labour organiser boy attended grammar, and the chair/treasurer boy attended grammar, I lost the debate
So I nformed the party I would campaign for the election of labour candidates but wont campaign because of theabove on oppostion to grammar schools.
At the break(in those days labour had fag breaks)
the treasurer came to me fuming and said dont you ever criticise my husband again.
I said pardon?
she said on grammar debate, dont you ever do that again
they were more choice words
I then told her to go and play(not exact words) lol
and i told her i would not be returning to the meeting as i would probably say things to her that i would regret.
So i went home!!!!
If you beleve in these things you have to have more principles.
I used to have more prnciples, i was told on my principled stand omn many issues
someone told me its ok having principles but it doesnt put food on the table
and of course hes correct
so i hope this rather long reply answers you barryw and we can move on
when i did the last posting peter actually thanked me for my honesty
so i do remember
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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8 November 2010
23:0379204Thankyou Keith, for me that is the end of the matter.
I may not agree with you, two of my three children went to grammar school, I am a strong believer in principles though.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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8 November 2010
23:1279205JAN;
Just on the issue of principles, iv always been a strong trade unionist and used to vow never to socialise in pubs with persons who broke strikes
of course this became so restrictive.
also the principle of not speaking to these people.
of course principles are a fine thng but therecome a time when you have to move on.
I still do hold many principles but no so restrctive
with age comes wise ness
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8 November 2010
23:2479207Keith, if you want people to respect your principles, you must respect theirs. That would include people who think strikes are wrong.
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9 November 2010
07:4079214Ross and Dave1 - finally we know that our former Dover representative on the education authority is opposed to grammar schools. A yes or no answer would have sufficed. So why was it so difficult to 'run the fox down' so to speak?
Fair enough - I disagree with him and his reasons, a debate that has been aired elsewhere and no doubt will again.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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9 November 2010
20:5379368Barryw
I never doubted you would disagree
As I said I had posted on this before in great detail
so It wasnt that I hadnt answered
But I posted again just so you got my answer.
not that i needed to.
Just remember barryw im not a council member any more just an ordinary pleb,
always happy to give my view.
And enjoy forum debate.
Peter
As you may have read I have moved on from those principled stands
although have to say non strikers cant have it both ways.
if a ballot for industrial action doesnt get 51% at mo it doesnt happen and those not wanting to strike use this in good argument
but if it goes in favour of strikes they dont accept the result.
Anyway
as i say times have moved on, as I have
I'v mellowed a lot in time.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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9 November 2010
20:5379369Barryw
I never doubted you would disagree
As I said I had posted on this before in great detail
so It wasnt that I hadnt answered
But I posted again just so you got my answer.
not that i needed to.
Just remember barryw im not a council member any more just an ordinary pleb,
always happy to give my view.
And enjoy forum debate.
Peter
As you may have read I have moved on from those principled stands
although have to say non strikers cant have it both ways.
if a ballot for industrial action doesnt get 51% at mo it doesnt happen and those not wanting to strike use this in good argument
but if it goes in favour of strikes they dont accept the result.
Anyway
as i say times have moved on, as I have
I'v mellowed a lot in time.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
