Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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3 January 2010
12:5836235Yes PaulB, religion has given us many positive things and informed our cultural heritage for thousands of years, but we also have to bear in mind that it has also caused untold grief across the centuries and been at the heart of many wars and conflicts, even today.
Phil West
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3 January 2010
13:3636238It has been in the hearts of people that wars and cruelties have been formed and committed, people manipulating religion and the vulnerable for their own ends. People kill people, not faiths or religions.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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3 January 2010
14:5236239Alot of people who kill people though Bern, use religion and believe in it. Sorry to go back to those American fanatics again, but they`ve been murdering doctor`s over there who carry out abortions. India and Pakistan, are fighting each other over their religions. I know some Indian men, and one of them who is very religious, Hates the Pakistani`s, he`s told me. It`s deeply embedded in their religion.
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3 January 2010
15:1836241I disagree, Colin, I think it has been embedded in them and in their culture by people who are perverting faith and religion to meet their own needs - perhaps for power, or money, or violence. Many people I have known who were part of the violence in Ireland believed in what they were doing at a political level, but many also used that extreme politicicising to meet their need for violence/drugs/whatever. It wasn't the reliogion/fiaht, it was people interpreting it and warping it and propounding it for their own ends.
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3 January 2010
15:3436244Agree with all what you say above Bern, but at the end of the day, it`s still religion, driving it along.
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3 January 2010
16:4336247Just a foot note to the above, I have been listening to Brian Darcy every Sunday evening at 20.30 on his church programme from Belfast since the Summer on radio2, between the easy listening and big band sound. I can still enjoy religious music and all else with it without having any religious belief`s. It`s always interesting to listen what he has to say, regardless of what I may think or say.
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3 January 2010
17:2336251Exactly - a conversation that can be had and enjoyed. Perfect!
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3 January 2010
19:3136263By the way, did that Turin shroud have a St Michael label in it?
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Brian Dixon
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3 January 2010
21:4336272nah tesco,or there again it could be a george label.
Ross Miller
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3 January 2010
23:1136279Bern all religions have their murky past or in some cases present; they all seem to be inherently open to corruption and abuse.
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4 January 2010
07:3736284Don't we all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't it the Human Condition? Any large organisation will have its rotten apples and skeletons. It doesn't mean the organisation is intrinsically bad, it means that there are some "bad" people in it.
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4 January 2010
21:5436320Oh I agree, in most cases the good done in the name and cause of religion far outweighs the cases of abuse, corruption, hypocrisy etc.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 January 2010
23:3836333would we have had canterbury cathedral or the grand tower at our castle without the religious lot?
all religions have their nutters, i read some years back a translation of a norse saga, the bit i remember most was of a young shepherd boy from denmark saying that the followers of the white christ had dragged him in with other pagans for an indoctrination.
they explained to him that the white christ offered love and peace to him, but if he did not sign up they would kill him!!!
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5 January 2010
00:1236339You`re right Howard. If we didn`t have religion, we wouldn`t have had Canterbury cathedral, Dover castle etc, and we`d have all been working last week.
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Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
00:3336344At the risk of bringing the Turin Shroud into this thread, does anyone else think the body proportions are all extremely strange?
Have a good look at the image below and try and replicate the posture. You'll find that unless you have Orang-Utan ancestry or hunch yourself right over your arms are not long enough to cover your nether regions in the manner depicted in the image. The arms appear to have been elongated to cover the private parts of the person depicted. The left hand appears to be stretched and the face and head very thin and a little small. Also is it not also odd that the face depicts the classic image style that is ingrained on us?
I expect there were a few dozen of these variable-quality shrouds knocking around Europe in the 14th century. Doubtless monasteries charged for a quick glance to the pious plebian peasants - they would have been a nice little earner. The Shroud of Turin is probably the most notorious survivor of a medieval lucrative trade in relic-viewing.
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5 January 2010
09:3236347Still pretty impressive tho'? regardless of your beliefs.
To date 45,000 artifacts have found by archeologists that relate to incidents mentioned or referred to in the bible.Strange fact but true.
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10 January 2010
20:2537118Sorry, just thought the old shroud needed to come out for an airing. I was wondering what a few of those 45,000 artifacts were Marek, as I`m always interested to learn rather than ridicule. It`s just that I`ve seen so much easily explained away.
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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10 January 2010
20:3637119Just google it colin, Bible relics.
They even claim to have a piece of skin from a certain appendage.
Its worth a look as there absolutely thousands of them, they tell you where they are and where they originate.
You could spend hours looking at the web sites.
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10 January 2010
20:5737126Many thanks Ian. Too much information though, and too many individual`s with too many different view`s.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2010
22:2337149that is why i never use google unless i have to, some good information but too many loonies for my liking.
