Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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We are being told, Andy, that we cannot leave the EU, and perhaps we may be allowed, some time in many years time, under another legislation, a referendum on whether to be fully integrated into a European state, or to be less integrated into a European state.
Anything less than an IN/OUT referendum is a betrayal of what some of us have been campaigning for: you, me, and others...many others, nationwide, for DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM.
The present Tory leadership is trying to smoke-screen us into an imposed decision of EU or EU.
Barry is campaigning for us to stay in the EU for the next 15 years, and saying we cannot have an IN/OUT referendum, because that is what the Tory leadership is saying.
And yet, the polls haver been stating for years that the majority in Britain at an EU referendum would vote for OUT.
The Tory party is trying to change this into a referendum sometime in the long distant future where we can NEVER have an OUT option.
Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Meanwhile, Tony Blair, he and his dear Wife, under the Labour Party Banner, changed the face of the UK, which is what this thead is all about.
Is now pushing for an Overall President of Europe, would he like it? Humbly
ofcourse.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
your imagination is running wild in 81, the question has always been about the wording on it.
the smart money is on the edifice crumbling well before a referendum is held.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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T. Blair advises governments, Christine, he charges millions for doing do, and he uses the money to buy mansions in London for all his family members. He appears to suffer from megalomania, he needs help!
He also needs to answer for many things, including lying to Parliament so as to make decisions that otherwise would have been democratically overruled, including going to war. He has lied on a number of instances as MP, including on immigration, when he lied and said the British People wanted mass immigration, knowing it was the opposite case.
In that occasion, he said the British People were racist and that our identity needed changing. And so he invented the great lie in order to do it.
It has all been officially revealed some two years ago by one or more of his top aids and accomplices.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if tony blair can afford to buy mansions for his family he doesn;t need any help alex.
in fact i might ring him up later to see if he can see his way clear to help me what with christmas coming up.
Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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David Ike would have him as a Master Lizard
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#81 - Alexander. It is an ugly word but it is entirely appropriate.
You are a liar. You lie about my position on the EU and do so time and time again.
Speak only about your views and stop telling out and out lies in respect of what I say.
Once again you are making yourself out to be a total fool.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No, Barry! You repeatedly state that we cannot have an in/out referendum on the EU, because we would all be told to vote for the EU. So if you are not in favour of an in/out referendum, that's fine, but you can't then turn round and deny it, can you?
I think we have all sussed out that the Tory leadership of your party tells us all the time that Britain must remain in the EU.
And that even Turkey and other states should join the EU. That is Dave's official stance, by the way.
So the point is, and in view of MP Charlie not having an opinion anyway on the EU, as he never campaigns for an in/out referendum, is that people should know who they are voting for, if they want us out of the EU.
The Tories are definitely NOT campaigning for any form of EU exit, nor EU in/out referendum.
This is a fact, no matter how you may claim to be anti-European Union.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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oh dear maybe it is time for alex and barry to take a step back and remember that we are still a members club despite recent changes.
Ross Miller
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Some seriously strange flights of fancy on this thread - as is oft the way of fora
Some data as an aside from the EMN October Bulletin
In Q1 2012, there were 69 405 asylum applicants. The main countries of citizenship of asylum seekers were Afghanistan (6 015), Russia (4 730), Pakistan (3 850), Serbia (3 390) and Iraq (2 700).
France (14 840), Germany (14 305), Sweden (7 570), Belgium (7 345) and United Kingdom (6 385) received the
most applications.
In the second quarter of 2012, there were some 70 050 asylum applicants, a slight increase from Q1 2012. The main countries of citizenship were Afghanistan, Pakistan and Russia.
France (13 750), Germany (12 815), Sweden (8 805), Belgium (6 820) and United Kingdom (6 425) receiving the most
applications.
Across the EU approx 75% of all asylum requests are rejected
Almost 2.5 million first residence permits were issued to third country nationals in the EU in 2010, 5% more than in the previous year. The number of permits issued for remunerated activities represented 32.5% of the total number of permits issued, against 30.2% for family reasons, 20.6% for study and another 17% for various other reasons (protection-related residence without the right to work, etc.). Most residence permits were issued to nationals of the USA (around 212 000), India (around 200 000), China (around 172 000), Ukraine (around 167 000) and Morocco (around 157 000).
In 2011, around 343 000 persons were refused entry, with the largest being by Spain (around 228 000), followed by Poland (around 20 000).
In 2011 the number of irregularly staying third country nationals apprehended in the EU-27 was around 468 500, with the largest being for Greece (around 89 000) followed by Spain (around 69 000). In 2010 there were around 505 000 apprehensions.
In 2011 Member States returned around 190 000 third-country nationals, with the largest being for
United Kingdom (around 49 000) followed by Spain (around 23 000). In 2010 there were around 224 000
returns.
The estimated net migration in the UK was 216 000 in the year to December 2011, similar to the same period last year. Study remains the most common reason for migrating to the UK.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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And its open boarders and expansion for the EU
Destination uk
Without the permission of uk citizens.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - sometimes enough is enough.
It continues in #88 - I do not think I have ever met anyone with as little lack of perception as this man and a willingness to misrepresent others.
Express you own views Alexander and stop misrepresenting me.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks for those figures Ross.
Unless my understanding of "Asylum-Seekers" is wrong, I thought it meant that they were fleeing their own country through persecution of some sort; if that is the case, then they were to seek that asylum in the first safe country outside of their own.
Some of those countries are many hundreds, if not thousands of miles from us and there are many countries in between.
Many of the people from the European countries want to come here because they perceive us to be a better-off country and think they can get work etc.
Jean's daughter lives and works in Majorca (for the British Embassy); she is also qualified to teach English to foreign students and has an increasing number of Spanish people wanting to learn English so they can come here for work.
We are paying out too many benefits to people who haven't (yet) put anything into the National till - and this applies to our home grown "don't want to work" people too.
Those who can least afford it, are having money/benefit payments, taken away from them and this is morally and socially, wrong.
Roger
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Economic migration roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keep xenophobia out, I say.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In Ross's post no. 90 the stats quoted are directly about asylum seekers, not normal economic migrants, that's why I posted what I did.
If we are talking just about Economic Migrants from various parts of the EU, then there should still be set criteria like I've mentioned before, not a free-for-all who are entitled to claim benefits here.
The EU are demanding we pay and house them all as we would our own and we simply cannot afford to.
Roger