Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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and it all started after ww2,the goverment of the day brought in cheap labour to fill jobs that us brits didnt want to do,yes i'm talking affro carrabieans.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The people mostly affected by the EU invasion, are the poor.
The very people the labour party say they represent
Workers at the bottom suffer reduction in wages, los of job opportunity, and big competition for the cheapest accommodation.
I will give you one example of a working class job, a building site labourer
10 to 12 years ago, a man labouring for a bricklayer or plaster would have been paid around £70 a day.
To day that man will be lucky to get £45, to, £50,
A 30|% wage cut, if you imposed this on the public sector or the rich ,there would be an uproar.
The only people I have ever come across that defended this invasion are.
1. Them responsible for it.
2. them that are profiting by it
3. them that are totally insulated and unaffected by it
4. and them sleeping with them
You can ad lap dancing, in to,4
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Only one answer there, Keith!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm not convinced that it's a cheap-labour policy, as many of the Romany Gypsies (why shouldn't I point them out Peter, they are the worst and most persistent offenders that I've witnessed around the Folkestone Road area) don't seem to work; they hang around in groups on street corners and some are also seen pushing prams with their little offspring in or dragging 2/3/4 more down into Town.
As I said before, if people are good people, it doesn't where they come from, I am happy; it's the bad, lazy, good-for-nothing, useless layabout scroungers (homegrown or imported) I don't want here.
Roger
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
With one notable exception, thanks Christine, this thread is rapidly becoming an almost as nasty version of the Mail on-line..
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Workers who collected Freedom Food chickens 'were trafficked and beaten'
"... action followed a joint operation earlier this month by Kent police, the GLA and the Serious Organised Crime Agency to liberate more than 30 Lithuanian workers who are alleged to have been trafficked in to the UK. They are said to have then been kept in debt bondage, forced to work up to 17 hours a shift, bussed to farms the length of the country to catch hens through the night, sleeping for days at a time only in vans, in some weeks not paid at all, and, according to workers' testimony, kept under control by Lithuanian enforcers with threats of violence and on occasions actual physical assault."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/oct/29/workers-chickens-allegedly-trafficked-beaten Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm not making this a nasty thread Ross, but there are some very bad people living here, not contributing anything and taking as much as they can - why can't we be allowed to be honest and say so ? There are many English "bad people" as much as there are "bad people" from overseas, it's recognising that, that needs to be accepted.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Well put Roger.

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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Ross, we have millions unemployed and an enormous debt problem, being concerned about more people arriving here isn't nasty its realistic.
Its fair to say we have plenty of our own that are a drain on society, but further immigration helps nobody.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
roger has quite rightly highlighted one section of the newcomers, we have near to me people from latvia, poland, hungary and a few more.
the only reason i am aware of their presence is because of their car number plates, so they must all be getting on with life without dumping rubbish outside their homes and making excessive noise.
Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Granted, the Roma are a problem or might pose a problem......Bulgaria and Romania, for all their faults, have looked after 'the' Roma for centuries (perhaps not as well as it could have done or is doing?)....spared them, and the Jews an inevitable fate. I wonder what it really must feel like not to be wanted? Any place, any time? To feel like the plague of the earth?
Under the mighty almost 'monopolizing' power of the EU......Britain can hardly take Bulgarians and Romanians minus the Roma. At any rate, EU or not, it would be blatant discrimination.........So, where does it leave the situation?
Any chance of Britain helping to 'Educate the Roma' instead of sending millions, even billions, off to countries who no longer need it; or to countries, who hold out their right hand and thrust their sword into their donors with the left hand?
Then, maybe there would be more money in the respective Governments (BG and Ro) coffers to provide adequately for their native races...who would then not feel the need to 'baggit' off for a job and a better life in the UK ?
Roger Walken, we all come from Gypsy stock. The tribes roamed the earth, and subsequently settled, I am not going to give you a history lesson, you are, I assume far too educated for that.
The Roma's will integrate, they are a clever and resourseful people. Evenually, they will return to their own countries, as the Polish and many others are doing already.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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So witch one Could describes you Ross?
The only people I have ever come across that defended this invasion are.
1. Them responsible for it.
2. Them that are profiting by it
3. Them that are totally insulated and unaffected by it
4. And them sleeping with them
You can ad lap dancing, in to,4
2 or maybe 3 me thinks.
Roma resist change and integration christine
In 20 years time I think you will see a street division in Dover similar to Bradford or Leeds.
They will probably all be VIP members of the labor party,
With a portrait of tony Blair hanging in every roam living room
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
ah the (self) righteous indignation is wonderful
Roger, thank you for rightly pointing out we have many (I suspect many more to be truthful) of our own who take the rest of us for a ride.
David of course we should be concerned at the level of incomers, but let us ensure it is a truly level playing field and not give preferential treatment to WASP stock from white commonwealth countries, the western most of our European neighbours and the USA.
Keith B. as a single man, who happens to be self employed and is not a politician I fall into none of your categories.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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"Roma resist change and integration christine" #32
Keith, I suggest you look at yourself in the mirror on that statement

Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The discussion on Slovak Rom-Gypsies needs addressing from a perspective of reality:
The Slovak government (or at least a part there-of) has been encouraging Gypsies to emigrate to western countries in the EU by breaking standard laws that the EU considers essential.
I found a download on my computer that must have come in from the DDC website when I was searching unrelated things there, unless it appeared from some other Council website somewhere in England.
However, having discovered recently a file titled: Roma, on my downloads, I opened it, and was surprised to read that the Slovak prime minister got elected on an anti-Roma election ticket, based on racist hatred it'd appear.
I will supply some further details later on tonight on this thread when I look again at this download, but it does look as though one country in the EU is getting away with racist discrimination at government level and is deliberately sending Gypsies over to the UK as a matter of policy.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The mysterious download is titled:
European Roma Booklet, and is edited by Boulton Council,
"Raising Eastern European Gypsy/Roma Achievement: A Guide for Educational Practitioners
With thanks to Refugee and Traveller Advice in Kent for permission to use their information as a base"
"Background
Since the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary (part of the A8) joined the European Union in 2004, Gypsy/Roma have been moving to find work, (e.g. estimated 90% Roma unemployment in Slovakia). Some were working in the closest Western European countries such as Italy, Austria and Germany and more recently some have come to work in France."
"Roma women are still being misled into sterilisation. However, the case of sterilisation has only been proved to happen in Slovakia and the Czech Republic. Robert Fico, the now Slovak Prime Minister, in his 2002 campaign included a promise to: 'actively effect the irresponsible growth of the Romani population.' "
"The European Union has designated 2005-2015 'The Decade of Roma Inclusion' recognising that time, energy and funding needs to be targeted if this group is to gain access to Equal Opportunities in education, health, housing and employment in Eastern Europe."
"Eastern European education systems assess children in their state languages. So when young Romani speaking children fail to understand the questions they are placed in Special Schools. This confirms the institutional belief that this group is inferior. Furthermore there is no Romani language used in schools and children stay in the same class unless they pass an exam to move up. With their Asian origins the Roma people look different from the longer established Eastern European people and are derogatorily referred to as 'the blacks'"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This (the above) is a part of the booklet that somehow downloaded onto my computer sometime in the past. It goes on to explain education strategies in England for Roma Gypsies from Eastern Europe.
Clearly there is a case of racist discrimination in some Eastern EU countries against Gypsies, as the Booklet also mentions murders in which some police officials were involved, as well as the general cultural background as pasted in the post above.
It would appear that at least one EU country - Slovakia - has an institutional misgiving towards their own Roma citizens, which includes forced sterilisation and massive unemployment (90% of Roma Gypsies in Slovakia are unemployed).
Discrimination on a racist and ethnic - and also cultural - basis, as in Slovakia, is outlawed by common international Law, not only EU laws, but even those of the international community as a whole.
In theory the Slovak government should be object of energetic protests at diplomatic level, and there have been reports, although not in the European Roma Booklet, that the Slovak government is issuing one-way tickets to the UK to Roma Gypsies who are Slovak citizens.
We have to be careful how we go about all this, as hatred can lead to persecution, and it is evident that the Slovak government has a lot to answer for, if they are depriving a group of their citizens from equal opportunities and actively driving them out of their country.
That's how Adolf Hitler started off, so I would suggest the British authorities get their act in order and ask for an investigation into Slovak government policies, otherwise there could be effectively a mass exodus of people from their country of origin through targeted racist hatred at institutional levels.
Especially considering that the economic crisis is getting worse not better, and it would not be appropriate for one or more eastern EU governments to silently enact a campaign of hatred and expulsion against their own citizens.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Post11
"I believe therefore that those acts were treasonable and the politicians responsible should swing for it."
Peter, do you know who actually signed the Lisbon Treaty for the UK?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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If the people around this area who were leaving their waste and rubbish in their gardens and making a serious blight on the local landscape, were English - or French or American, I would still be angry with them - it's what they do, not who they are or where they come from that's the problem.
Education is a bit difficult because many of the children don't attend school - the social services are looking into that; there is also the question of the numbers who are living in the houses as many of them are overcrowded and more random checks need to be made as I simply do not believe that a "normal" (what's normal ?) family could produce the amounts of rubbish that are spewed out all over the front gardens.
The Romany Gypsies are not hated for being Romany Gypsies, they are disliked for what they do to the neighbourhood - their own popularity is in their own hands - I doubt they care whether they are liked or not.
I hear from reliable sources that some of the girls are into prostitution and the Police have been made aware of this. Discussions have taken place with them, with an interpreter in attendance so they know what's being said, about what is expected of them - behaviour-wise, rubbish-wise and school-wise and general demeanour, but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference - the mess is there again two days later, the schools still report non-attendance and so it goes on.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well said Roger #39
I speak as someone whose great-grandfather was a Romany Gipsy who bought a plot of land in Dover at the top of Chapel Hill where there are now flats and settled there. He lived in a house built onto the cliff and kept his old caravan on his land. I have clear memories of him.
It is indeed a matter of how they choose to live that is at issue.