Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Good one Roger.
I stopped reading when we went onto Palestine etc.
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Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
I can imagine that Argentina will become more bolshie now that God is on their team.
Terry
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Hope we are not going to go through it all again
this guy already made stastements hes anti gay, and thinks falklands should go to Argentian control
not a good start
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have worked out a compromise, we give them the malvinas in return for the 1986 world cup which they cheated out of us.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Pope Francis and the Falkland Islands dispute
In comments attributed to the pope he paid tribute to 'usurped' Argentinians who wanted to 'claim the country that is theirs' during the Falklands War.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-falkland-islands-are-ours-argentina-095445114.html Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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he would have more credibility if he excommunicated maradona from the church over that goal in 1986.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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is that in the bible to,dose it state that the falklands are argentinas.i doubt it though,but im sure that alex or peter will find a referance to them in there.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Palestinians don't descend from the Philistines. Palestine and Philistine have nothing to do with each other in terms of etymology. Palestine was created as a British mandate in 1919 for the express purpose of becoming a Jewish homeland.
At that time and until 1948 (or even later), the Arabs in Palestine never called themselves "Palestinians", but Arabs.
They first started using the name "Palestinians" in the 1950's.
After the Jews went progressively into the Diaspora, the largest population in Palestine were the Samaritans, who staged three great rebellions against the Byzantine Empire, and were heavily defeated each time.
The Samaritans were later progressively exterminated by various Muslim rulers, even on into the 18th century.
There are several hundred Samaritans today, they are considered as a People by the State of Israel, they believe in the 5 books of Moses, as the Jews do, but not in the Prophets, or in Jesus.
There is so much more to be said about the history of Israel, or Palestine, but would require a thread of its own.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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and what about the falklands alex,any mention in the bible that they belong to argentina.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am trying to get to grips with this and the conclusion i have reached is that the philistines have taken up residence in the malvinas.
Brian Dixon
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they get every where howard,the philistines that is.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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There is no sound in Arabic corresponding to the letter P. 'Palestine' is an anglicisation of the Arabic word pronounced 'Filasteen' or 'Falasteen' depending on the dialect of the speaker.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we are the better for knowing that peter but it doesn't explain where the philistines are currently holed up.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Basically a philistine has always been someone from Palestine.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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in other words anyone with no interest in the arts, literature or classical music can now be described as a palestine.
Brian Dixon
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nah a filasteen.howard.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Too many on here - obviously.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Philistines settled in the present Gaza area, in a territory slightly larger than the Gaza strip, including a few coastal towns in present Israel near Gaza.
They inhabited five towns in all, and never settled in Judaea or Galilee, although they did attempt to exert authority there.
Historians are not clear on what became of the Philistines, as they eventually disappear from history.
But one good idea is to consult the history of Judea and surrounding areas in the days of the Roman and Bizantine Empires, and perhaps even earlier during the Hellenistic period commencing with Alexander the Great:
if the Philistines are not mentioned anywhere in these epochs, then they had already disappeared from that area as a distinct people.
For example, they could have been exiled by the Assyrians or the Babylonians and settled elsewhere, as was with the ten tribes of Northern Israel (Assyria) and the Judeans (Babylonia).
Or they may have amalgamated with other populations.
In the southern Negev lived the Idumeans, also called Edomites. And there were, as already mentioned, the Samaritans, who lived between Judea and Galilee. There were also Greek settlers, and some Romans.
The idea that everyone was an Arab in historical Israel, or Palestine, is erroneous. There were no Arabs living there before 634 AD, and when they arrived, they were a minority.
In 1870 AD, the Arabs were 7.5% (seven and a half percent) of the population of Jerusalem. The Jews were by far the largest population, long, long before the 1919 Palestine mandate of the British (The League of Nations mandate).
The various Christians were the second largest population in Jerusalem.
The Crusades also deserve a mention, together with the Arab and Turkish conquests. A number of conquests brought about great changes in society in Palestine, or Israel.
For example, the last Muslim leader to conquer the area from the Western Christians who had settled there, after arriving from Egypt with a large army, deliberately made the land become desolate, so as to prevent another crusade and another wave of Christian settlers from the West.
In so doing, he made the land barren both for Christians and Muslims.
Brian Dixon
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alex,how many times do we have to tell you palistine has been there for 4000 years or more,israeal hasnt.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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All the Arabs of my acquaintance who come from Gaza or the West Bank are proud to call themselves Palestinians and proud to trace their ancestry back to the Philistines of biblical times. Same applies to the only two Israeli Arabs I know.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson