Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The referendum on the status of the Falkland islands demonstrates an overwhelming desire to remain British.
1,517 votes were cast over 2 days, a 90% turn-out, resulted in 1,513 people voting to keep the Falkland islands British. Three people voted against. The vote was monitored by international observers to demonstrate it was a fair process.
Under the UN treaty the principal of self-determination is well established. This ends, of should end, any claim the Argentinians think they might have.
Don't count on it though - the Argentinians do not care about the wishes of the inhabitants and will not accept self-determination where it does not suit them.
Brian Dixon
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98.8% voted to stay british,if thats not a clear message i do not what else they could do.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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This is good news for the Palestinians.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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[sigh] Oh dear.
Clearly Barry you have never ran a country...
"The dispute over sovereignty has been going on for centuries, and Britain has never been really confident over its claim to the islands. In 1829, the Duke of Wellington observed: "I have perused the papers respecting the Falkland Islands. It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands.""
"UN resolutions on the dispute, of which there have been 40, do not refer to self-determination but to the "interests" of the islanders. Attempts by Britain at the UN to include the phrase have proved unsuccessful. The UN says the dispute over sovereignty must be settled through bilateral negotiations, between Argentina and Britain, not with the islanders."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/09/meaningless-falklands-referendum-uk-sovereigntyIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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surely the inhabitants should be the ones to decide tom?
the islands are self financing except for defence and have the right to be governed by who they choose, much the same if the scots vote to leave the union.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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It's not exactly my argument either way Howard.
"Self determination" sounds dandy, but where else on the globe does this dictum hold true? Not the Chagos Archipelago, (or the many other Indian Ocean island groups), nor for the people of Palestine.
#4 is there to refute the arguments used in #1
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Statists like Tom don't like people deciding Howard, they can't be trusted
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The link between Palestine and the Falklands is spurious at best
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"spurious at best"
Do you even know what that means David?
The argument here is one of 'self determination'. Are you saying that the people of Palestine have no 'self'?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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at least the falklands dont live next door to terrorists like palastine dose.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Tom Austin wrote:"spurious at best"
Do you even know what that means David?
The argument here is one of 'self determination'. Are you saying that the people of Palestine have no 'self'?
from google
Apparently but not actually valid: "this spurious reasoning results in nonsense".
Errrh Brian, you might like to google Hamas if you're referring to terrorists in that part of the world.
There is absolutely no similarity between Palestine and the Falklands
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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david,have you forgotten the land grabbing terrorists the israelies.palastine has been there longer than israeil,no wonder that hamas are upset.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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So using your analogy Brian are we the terrorists or the Argentinians?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Falkland Islands and Israel are two different territories.
Argentina has no historical claim to the Falklands.
If the idea that one mass of land must belong to another owing to it's perceived vicinity, then Argentina could perhaps be claimed by the Falklands, or, for that matter, by Brazil, or Chile.
And Turkey could claim many Greek islands, or vice versa.
And the Philippines and Indonesia could claim each other, and China and Japan....or one could claim islands that the other already claims...
However, back to reality, the Falkland are British, end of.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the argies,but to be pendantic them and us.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Brian Dixon wrote:the argies,but to be pendantic them and us.
Most extraordinary, 99.8% of the population vote to remain British and you accuse them of being terrorsits.
Now I've heard it all
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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As all too often David, you answer only the question you ask. "Spurious at best." is the phrase in question.
Perhaps 'tenuous' (slender) would be suitable?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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david its 98.8% that voted to stay british?.and the falkland islanders arnt the terrorists its us and the argies.i hope thats cleared that up.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Semantics as usual Tom, you still can't find a connection hence spurious - nonsense.
Brian, the Falklanders are "us", if "we" are terrorists so they must be.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I declared the absolute connectivity David.
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