Keith Sansum1
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barryw
if your relying on a tory majority at the next general election your whistling in the air boyo.
people are so fed up with politicians although the lib dems will be destroyed at the next general election, your daves stand on wanting to keep the uk in the EU and making it clear this is his view, not that of the co olition.
he has muddied and called into doubt his own leadership.
back bench tory mp's and the tory membership(as you say baz) are anti the eu
and leading tories are urging your dave to change course.
It sounding baz like you are convnced that dave won't survive after the next general election and with an anti eu leader then the tories will pull out.
its all a dream baz
with leadership dave looking so weak now even within his own party his days are numbered
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Now Flashman has indicated he will pump millions of pounds into IMF to bail out the Eurozone we await the backlash from the 81 Group and other MP backbenchers.
If the Eurozone went belly up it would be like the Lehman Brothers collapse..............only much worse.
Bob Diamond speech on Banks conribution to the Global Financial Crisis is worth a read.
BBC Question Time last night unanimous that Banks caused the Global Financial Crisis..........Gordon not mentioned!!!!!!
In 2009 G20 Gordon Brown convinced all world leaders to triple the resources to IMF which succeeded in calming down investors in the wake of the 2008 credit meltdown.
Flashman is only using Gordon Brown`s tried and tested rescue package but many of his collegues will not be amused.
Barry Eichengreen ( Finance Guru ) says IMF intervention is now the only alternative left to solving the crisis.
Only the G20 can put the fund in the drivers seat and give it the resources it needs to complete the task.
Sarkosy wants a Financial Transaction Tax Flashman is against the Tax !!!!
In recent times both Argentina and Brazil have been through the Greek Drama and come out the other end,the method used I am still researching,but both Argentina and Brazil having had the awful experience back Sarkosy in the bid for the Financial Transaction Tax to be adopted.
All G20 countries would have to contribute.
Flashman again an outsider.Must be getting lonely.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - we will see what happens in the next election, there is a long way to go for that.
As for DC - you are making a lot of assumptions again. I suspect DC will be PM after the next election and, yes with a Tory majority the EU issue must then be dealt with and knowing the strength of feeling in the Party on the EU no-one should place bets on us still be 'in' in 10 years time.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Dave is following to the word the principles laid down by Gordon Brown in funding the IMF.
But in the days when Gordon Brown was PM, there was a bit more money floating around to dispense of.
Dave is finishing off the job
He imposes spending cuts at home, and then pumps more and more money into the IMF to rescue the euro.
Because things will not get better but worse, Dave's support among the population will just about evaporate completely.
The Tory party in the Commons does not have an agenda anymore, Dave has u-turned on most of it, and silenced off the rest.
He is acting more and more like a lone wizard whose magical words have proven ineffective, while he uses up the last patience of the public in his last desperate attempts to solve Europe's problems by flinging our money at their sovereign debt.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Mark Pritchard MP Leader of the 81 Group and powerfull member of 1922 committee says they will demand full vote on Cameron`s pledge to increase Britains contribution to IMF to bail out Eurozone crisis.
Tory rebels revolt will challenge Prime Ministers majority.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this group certainly has the bit between the teeth but i think they are on a loser here, dave and co have their hands tied on this one.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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EU will make Britain cut Bank Bonuses...........Bill Gates supports Financial Transaction Tax.
Europe divided the Thatcher and Major Governments.Cameron told Tory rebels to shut up about Europe because it will lose them votes but the division of his Government looks to be considerable.
Recent events threaten to change Britains relationship with Europe and could reshape domestic politics.
The ranks of tory sceptics has swollen significantly and they see Flashman`s agreement to put millions more into IMF as a barely disguised Euro bail out.Senior tories fear if the 81 Group continue to gain momentum we could end up with the same status as Norway in Europe.
No matter how the Greek drama ends Britain`s influence will be diluted.It is thought the 17 countries will form a caucus which will make decisions before they go to the 27 members.Any brave talk that Britain would lead the 10 second division countries is,just that,as 7 of the 10 are committed to joining the Euro.
The rules affecting the City of London could/would be decided by the 17.
Tory hopes to renegotiate ```repatriation of Powers``look deemed to fail and be a fast track to the Europe exit door.Saving Europe will leave Britain on the edges..........an outsider.
Lib/Dems would be the scapegoats,yet again,for Flashman to tell his back benchers his hands were tied as the Lib/Dems would theaten to end the Coalition.
Cameron`s problems are piling up.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Cameron decided to sort out the eurozone problem by flinging our money at it.
We should also realise that taxing the City, as the EU wants, would bring the extra money to EU coffers, not to our Treasury.
Cameron has said he will defend the City, but that means putting a spanner in the plans of the EU to impose a transaction tax on 27 countries.
The EU cannot make an exception for one member state, either all pull on one end, or the transaction tax falls through, owing to Dave's opposition.
If this happens, how will the eurozone solve its financial crisis?
It's obvious that the EU will only benefit if we leave, so they can get on with it as they feel fit. That way they can impose a transaction tax in 26 countries, and solve their debt problem.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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if it wasnt for so many cock ups and u turns you could fee;sorry for barryw's dave
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Danny Alexanda `unconvincing,chinless wonder`trying ,unsuccessfully of course,to defend Flashman`s agreement to pump.........................
£ Forty Billion ...........into IMF...........When it will be enroute to bailout the Euro!!!!!!!
And he is a Europhile??????????? Crazy mixed up `Kid`
He will also tomorrow deliver a Sneaky Stealth Plan `B`
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I'm convinced the recent QE of 75 billion shiny-ones done by the Bank of England could not have come about without the approval - or request - of the cabinet.
It's probably directly or indirectly from that newly printed money that the 40 billion will come which DC wants to pump into the IMF.
The leaders of Germany and France have also agreed to print hundreds of billions of euros to pump into the eurozone debt crisis.
This IS plan B
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy The Week.
The plan isn`t perfect but the EU leaders will do what it takes to make the Euro work because they recognise it`s the best way forward for Europe.
In an increasing interdependent world,it makes sense to pool resources and impose some common rules.Greece,outside the Euro, could have unilaterally defaulted on its debts and prompted a wider bank collapse-all to preserve retirement at 53 and the middle classes paying no taxes.
Someone in the Brussles bubble should have told the decision makers what was really happening among Greece`s grassroots.
Two Bank quotes of the week.
Bob Diamond;We have to accept responsibility for what has gone wrong.Most importantly we have to use the lessons learned to become better and more effective citizens.
Boris;...........the leper colony in the City of London.
No mention of Gordon Brown!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No mention of Gordon Brown.
But was it not Gordon Brown who piled our money into the first Greece bailout last year, his last act before leaving government?
I said then that we won't ever get that money back.
Brian Dixon
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alex,gordon brown didnt it was cameron 3 months after the election which cameron won.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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shambles cameron
everywhere you look
the clock is ticking for poor dave
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Guardian.
UK ready to give £ 10 Billion to the IMF!!!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you would think they had enough already without dave and george dipping into our pockets to help them out.
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I can't find anything about that on the Guardian or BBC website, I can find a link to the IMF World Economic Outlook 2012 released at 2pm today, 250 pages that I haven't read yet but courtesy of Reg and the Guardian has been summarised in one sentence!
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2012/01/pdf/text.pdfKeith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think it's nice that barryw can dream, cameron has been clear that all the time he's leader the UK will remain in the E.U.
Now do the 81 committee have plans to remove cameron?
or is it all just a pipe dream??
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tories threaten rebellion over coaltion plans to reform the Lords.Four ministerial aides will resign to vote against the Bill.
Cameron is backing Clegg on elections for upper house.Tory MP`s believe the Bill is to appease the Lib/Dems for taking all
the hits at the coalition.
Tory PPS`s will filibuster to talk it out of time.However Cameron and Clegg have agreed that if the Lords reject the Bill,as is
expected,they will use the 1949 Parliament Act to force it through.
Another sticky oeriod enroute.