Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Then we need Roger, Charlie and Julian to stand behind PaulC, back the developers in their appeal and lobby the planning inspectorate for all they're worth. Which won't be much if they can't overturn such a crass decision.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Here is a section of the recently released KCC AVIATION PLAN..something new for them. Cant reproduce it all here but here are the aims...
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
In Bold Steps for Aviation Kent County Council proposes how the UK can meet its aviation needs through the connection of Gatwick and Heathrow with an airside high speed rail link; better use of Manston and Lydd Airports and other regional airports, including London City, Southend, Stansted, Luton, Southampton and Birmingham; and improved connections of these regional airports with London.
In doing so it recommends:
1. The construction of an airside high speed rail link connecting Gatwick and Heathrow.
2. Improved rail connectivity of other regional airports (Manston, Lydd, London City, Southend, Stansted, Luton, Southampton and Birmingham) with London, Gatwick and Heathrow.
3. Further development of Manston Airport, other existing regional airports in the South East (Lydd, London City, Southend, Stansted, Luton and Southampton) and those with good connections to London (Birmingham).
4. Capacity growth at Gatwick through the addition of a second runway after 2019.
5. Any proposals for a Thames Estuary airport are not progressed any further.
6. No action is not an option but action to address capacity issues must been taken quickly; rather than depending on an estuary airport that will take years to develop and may not even succeed, better use of our existing hub and regional airports NOW will ensure that the UK retains its premier position as a hub airport.
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If we get anything through from Laura Sandys will get it up...was chatting yesterday myself and wondering what her view might be on this.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 14.and # 20 Might you agree the Council`s reason is the same as Laura`s.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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No doubt she'll represent views of her constituents.
Watty
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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As indeed the Council would.
Forgive me for having some doubts about some reps knowing what those views are.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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My understanding from what I've seen and heard and from the people involved and close to this subject is that those living closest to the loudest noise were actually in favour of night flights and expansion at the airport. Consultation responses were mixed, but there seemed to be no clear call against night flights. I was told that the lobby against nightflights came from a relatively small but very vocal and influential group.
I remember a time when some very very loud military jets and bombers were based at Manston. These took off and landed at random hours, but at all hours day and night. Modern passenger aircraft are much quieter.
I believe that the airport made a proposal to provide sound proofing for homes that would be worst affected and to part fund sound proofing for other homes under the flight path to mitigate any increase in noise levels.
Its not as if 'night flights' means that flights would be tooing and froing all night long. What were the airport asking for? Was it for flights to be able to take off and land up to 2300 and then for them to be allowed to resume from about 0400? I'll have to look it up.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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#14, Howard, just finished reading 2 independent consultant reports on Manston. Both conclude that without night flights Manston is not a viable commercial airport. Both conclude that in order to grow night flights for Manston are essential.
It seems from both reports that I've read that night flights would mean aircraft being allowed to start taking off from the airport at 0600-0700 and that unrestricted landings would need to be allowed up until 2300, but that some small number of flights would need to be permitted up until 0100.
Consultant recommendations include the airport operator paying for full sound proofing on some properties and partially paying for sound proofing on a whole load of others.
Neither report that I've read recommended not proceeding with night flights. Still trying to find a report that recommends no night flights.
So it would still be interesting to know what criteria were used to refuse this one.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Aha, I see that the opposition is based on a survey of 2000 Thanet residents and a council report which recognises that commercial viability hinges on approval of night flights, but goes on to say that economic benefits are not as great as indicated in the two reports that I've read this morning, whilst noise disturbance is under-estimated in those same reports.
Unable to find the actual report made for the Council, only news reports about it.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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So the answer is that you pay consultants to write reports that deliver the conclusion you want.
I suppose the real question to ask is; if civil operations can't be made viable, what is the future use of Manston Airport?
That question being asked would be a travesty in view of the £100's million invested in Thanet to get it moving.
I'll go back to the conclusion I made earlier the 2 political parties should agree to push the project thru. & agree not to make it an election issue to fight over.
I know that engagement currently can't take place because of personalities.
That is a tragedy.
This is an infrastructure project that should be decided independently by the national commission.
Watty
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I was very disappointed to hear this, but not totally surprised.
NIMBYism at its worst. People moved to that area knowing there was an airport there and that it has been looking to expand for many, many years, so why grumble and oppose when the chance to expand, increase employment and bring a whole lot of benefits to the area.
I do believe that the benefits have been greatly played down; almost every kind of business would benefit, from industrial/manufacturing, research and development (the new Discovery Park close by), hotels and guest houses, shops, pubs and everything in between.
It is incredible, blind stupidity that will hang around Thanet's neck for years to come.
It certainly hasn't done Dover, Deal or Sandwich any favours either.
As has been stated above, much money has been spent on new roads around there and the new Park-way train station won't now be built - will it ?
Such short-sightedness.
Roger
#31 That gets my vote.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#31 last para, I'm right with you on that one. The present situation is like giving the voters of Town & Pier ward the final say on T2.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#27, my father used to fly Canberras and V-bombers in and out of Manston during the 50s and 60s. They were the noisiest machines ever to get off the ground. And I can remember as a boy watching a squadron of Lightnings taking off two abreast with afterburners lit, which made the ground shake.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#31
It is indeed a tragedy and as Roger quite rightly points out very 'short-sighted'
Peter, that must have been thrilling for a small boy to see
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Petty politics at play here as far as I an tell - the current administration are a laughing stock with spending time on discussing supporting gay marriage (which is probably a good thing but nothing to do with the remit of a local authority) rather than on the more important issues....
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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This whole saga probably helps to explain why Thanet is such a dump and has all those empty shops. The Council obviously likes it that way or it would have voted for the extra income a well used airport can bring.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Why don't we just tern manston in to a big china goods import shed
That will help the country
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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every time i read about thanet district council they seem to be discussing irrelevant issues like post 37 or scoring points of each other.
egos come into play and games of musical parties are played, thing reached a low point last week when a former leader was charged with fraud.