Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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It seems the Prime Minister likes them...he had a large one only recently, he was confronted by choice, large or small, and he went for large, so said he today at his press briefing...so there..man of the people!
People generally are calling for a rethink on this vat which could put small retailers ( fish n chips shops etc) out of business as margins are small...but so far no sign of a u-turn.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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chippies have always paid the full amount of vat paul, just bakeries that seem to be a grey area.
back in the 80's i lived near a renowned chippie that brought people from far and wide, when vat was put on take aways they put a massive sign in their window that they had not put up prices, just thatcher had.
rather ironically they hit the front page of the "sun" after they went belly up. they had not paid a penny of the vat they had collected from the customers over 5 years.
Brian Dixon
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i like my pasties cold with a small side salad and a couple of new potatoes with melted butter [thats real butter and not the american marge stuff yukk.]
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Keith Sansum1
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howard
it appears now tory central office is doing aniother u turn on the cameron cornish pasty
started in west country
then leeds rail station
then somewhere in liverpool
seems the pasty keeps moving
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,if it's a british rail pastie please cheack the sell by date.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah I see re chippies. I have another anomaly...I sometimes buy a hot sausage roll, dem lenghty ones, very good...in Tesco. They have a little hot cabinet a little inside the door on the right as you go in. Now how is this going to work?
I put it in the basket with all of the other items. When it gets to the till, it is sometimes still hot, or if I have more items to get, it can be cool or even cold...so how about that one. is the girl on the till going to stick a thermometer in it to see if its still hot!!?
Is the vat going to be applied at the till on one item and not on the others..or will Tesco give up selling them due to exasperated complications beyond the norm.
According to Sky News the Leeds Platform one the Prime Minister mentioned, where he bought his last pastie, has closed down in the past week...a victim of the recession no doubt.
The amount of stick HMG got for this one and the puny amount of money it raises, well they might as well have left it alone. The frontbench dont seem to see the imbalance..working class food loved by builders etc gets vat on it because its hot, and the frontbench millionaires all got a huge cut in their income tax bill. Even on Newsnight last night people are still kicking the Budget.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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following on from paul's tesco experience i wonder how greggs and the like will fare.
when you purchase a pasty or sausage roll the staff members just press the button on the till and the price comes up.
in future they will have to reprogramme all their tills so that seperate prices come up depending on the temperature of each item.
yet more red tape and costs added to businesses which will then be passed on to the customers.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Actually Howard, the rules are about the intention, not the result. If it's intended to be eaten hot straight away, there is VAT. If it's intended to be taken home and reheated, there's no VAT. Example: if you buy a chilled takeaway curry from TESCO it's zero rated because you are expected to reheat it at home. The same items bought hot from Curry Garden will be taxed because it is intended to be eaten still hot. If it gets cold on the way home and you have to reheat it anyway, that's just tough. There's another key clause in the existing law: anything supplied 'by way of catering' is taxed.
Additionally anything requiring further 'processing' before being eaten is zero rated. This leads to more anomalies. A bag of peanuts bought from a shop is taxed because it's snack food, but a bag of pistachios is not. Why? Because the pistachios require further processing (shelling) before you eat them. But if I sell them over the bar they're both taxable because I am a catering outlet.
Everything clear? Actually I think shops like Greggs could get round it by selling hot items wrapped in sealed cellophane wrappers with re-heating instructions on them. Then they could show an intention that it should not be consumed hot straight away and it just happens to be hot because it is so fresh. If the customer chooses to rip it open and devour it immediately, it's not the shop's fault.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all seems unnecessarily complicated and must be a headache to administer.
must need an army of civil servants to go through everyones books to ensure that the rules are complied with.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Peter I recently had the misfortune to eat at one of the many restaurants in town and refused to pay for the meal which was barely lukewarm. This, in my opinion, was intentional. If it were not intentional then this particular restaurant should not be in business.
Funnily enough when I complained to the manager I suggested he try some of the food to see how bad it was. His response made me laugh uncontrollably as I picked up a fork and placed some rice in the palm of his hand and told me it felt hot to him.
Needless to say I won't go there again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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how did it pan out(no pun intended), did you walk out without paying philip?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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I like the Nigel Lawson story of saying it's fresh baked to avoid the VAT.
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Oh yeah Howard I walked out alright. The manager knew he was bang to rights and had no choice but to let me go without paying. The couple next to me did the same having tried the cold nosh. It has to be said that in my experience most restaurant food isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. I've had great reports from some I know and found the food to be well below the mark when I've tried it. Too many quick microwaved meals have dulled their palette I suspect.
Restaurant food, in the main, is greatly over-rated.
Learn to cook something you might eat in a restaurant is not only more challenging but more appealing in the end. It's always worth the try.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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A plate-warmer might be a good idea too.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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with the high number of cafes and restaurants in dover you would expect all to be of a high standard to compete.
had a few breakfasts locally where the standard of cooking is even below mine, surely it is the simplest meal to get right?
one cafe where i ordered a bacon roll actually fried the bacon before putting the greasey mess in a long life bap.
a bakers in the london road seemed to sell bread and cakes that should have been sold the previous day, not surprisingly they soon closed down and someone else took over.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Sandwiched between rent and rates and wastage lies a filling of factory-produced cheese that is cut so thin it is all but missed by the knife, or factory-produced bacon from pigs that are fed on the trawler's waste that ill-fitting Quotas encourage the landing of.
All of this predicated from and demanded by the/our reliance on debt. There is nothing made these days as an end in itself, but that must first make ever increasing profits to satiate the ravenous yet insatiable maw of the corpulent, bloated, idle and unimaginative middle-man financiers that see themselves the fulcrum of all human endeavours.
At one time we beasts of field and burden had to contend with the Farmer Jones' of this world now we must pander too, to the bank that has foreclosed upon our world. A world riven by the debt of pandering to the....
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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peter,#49 as clear as mud.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Eric Pickles possible victim of any reshuffle sucks up to his Boss to support him following the self inflicted cock-ups
over the last two weeks with his usual size 12`s on the daffodils.Knowing both Cameron and Osborne have told the
world,with some embarrassment, they both eat them........``Real men don`t eat pasties they eat
`growlers`.......apparently growlers are rather large.....surprised........and ``he went to Eton,don`t look down on him``
With Eric`s efforts the Prime Minister having had his reputation for competence severely dented there will be a need for
other collegues to rescue the situation.
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I will not cook and/or serve anything to anyone which I would not eat myself with pleasure. And I am fussy. Perhaps too fussy.
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