Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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29 December 2010
10:3686752I have a wonderful nephew with two mummys, he is 10 years old he is a very popular member of his class, plays football for a local team. All in all he is a well rounded, joy to be with.
When I found out he was on the way I admit to reservations, was this a selfish act? would he be able to cope at school? I was wrong.
My Nephew has 2 mummys, 2 grandfathers, 1 nanny and loving uncles and aunties all around him, he has asked the questions but has accepted the answers as he has 2 parents and alot of the kids around him only live with one.
I am certain this child will be as loved as my nephew and why shouldnt this couple who have been together a long time experience the joy a child can bring to your life?
I cannot imagine a life without my nephew in it now, he is also my godson and I love him almost as much as I love my own two children. The circumstances of how he came to be are irrelevant. xx
Jan Higgins
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29 December 2010
10:5086757Isn't it interesting that it is the men who have posted that are so anti,
, with the exception of Stewart and Ross
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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29 December 2010
11:4086758Should it be pointed out that the child will be in a partnership with Elton and David and, while Elton may be 72 when the child is 10, the other parent will be 58. As I turn 58 next year and my son will be 11 I cannot see the problem, my children are definitely loved and while it would be nice to be rich my children were all wanted and cared for as is the case with this one. As long as the baby is not going to be dangled from a balcony they should be fine.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Brian Dixon
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29 December 2010
12:0686760i am finding it difficult to get my head round this,as im finding it a bit peverse,and putting it down to vanaty.a chap elton johns age should be looking forward to retirement and not running after a rugrat.but saying that good luck to them and i hope they relise its a life long job bringing up a child.
29 December 2010
14:0786770I would find it difficult to judge anyone about this - having babies is at bottom a primitive urge and a selfish act, and the babies that end up with loving and secure homes of any shape are fortunate. I would not presume to judge or question anyones procreation if they have love and stability to offer. This family seems like a lovely shape! I do have questions about, for example, the foolish social-worker-wooly-pully-sandal-and-muesli drive to keep families together despite repeated violence and drug abuse. I get more angry and upset about that part of the family spectrum.
Keith Sansum1
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29 December 2010
15:1786773post 22
could i state that i at no point said i was anti this move by elton john
purely like other news items raised it for debate
which is what this forum is all about.
mine was not even about gays, (i have many gay friends)it was about a 62 year old
and just asking views
hope that clears that up
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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29 December 2010
15:4086776Again it has taken 26 posts before anyone has uttered the G word. Doesn't that show how we all tiptoe round some issues?
Like Keith I have no problem with family arrangements other than the traditional nuclear family - many such arrangements occur through relationship breakdown and other tragedies - but I am slightly dubious of the ethics of creating such arrangements deliberately.
On a lighter note, imagine the scene in 15 years time when young Zachary cones home from school in tears and admits that he thinks he might be straight!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 December 2010
15:4786777Peter I did not tip toe around it, I said all babys need their mums and also a Dad,but babys need more of mum when they are are that young ,I do not think that two men should look after a baby even with all the money they have.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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29 December 2010
15:4986779this debate is moving away from the orignal posting on age.
but i have to disagree 100% with vic's last posting
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 December 2010
15:5186780and besides anyone over the age of say 45 male/female or whatever gender,is thinking of having kids isnt it a bit late to start.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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29 December 2010
15:5286782Keith, all posts move away from their original heading and this one is no exception, perhaps because of the vagueness of the title.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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29 December 2010
15:5586783but was clear in the posting peter,
anyway quite a healthy debate,
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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29 December 2010
17:5086789My initial reaction was noooooooooo, not Elton John, poor kid - nothing to do with age, being gay, kid needs a Mum etc.
We all have a laugh at old pictures of our parents and their strange clothes, just think how the child is going to be ribbed over its father's dress sense.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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29 December 2010
18:2586796What about 65 year old Rod Stewart he will be a new father next year, as I said earlier there are plenty of 'old men' who are new fathers.
That Elton and David are a gay couple does not worry me at all, they just need to be good parents.
Mr Matcham you are showing your prejudice with #28 even if you did not realise it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 December 2010
18:3286797i think i would be more in favour if they had adopted an unwanted baby already here, instead of having one made to order.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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29 December 2010
19:1386799The third unmentionable issue is of course Elton's long struggle with drugs and alcohol. Google 'elton john drugs' and see what you come up with. Admittedly he appears to have been clean since David came on the scene but given his previous history not even the most broad-minded adoption agency would consider him a fit parent. Allegedly he used to drop into the Royal Oak at Nonington for a top-up after escaping from the Promiss rehab centre.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Ross Miller
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30 December 2010
03:1386813Peter, havent we all done things in our youth we later regretted? I know I have.
The truth of the matter is that Reginald Dwight has cleaned his act up, is in a loving relationship with his husband/partner and can adequately (and some) provide for the child. Provided they create a loving and nurturing environment for the child what exactly is the problem?
No one checks to see if couples capable of natural child birth are fit and competent parents or checks if they have had brushes with the law or done something stupid in the past, if the state chose to do so there would be an outcry and rightly so - is it ageism or homophobia that is really driving the nay sayers here. Because frankly I see scores of young girls with kiddies that if we applied the same logic adoption agencies use would be denied the chance of having a child.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
30 December 2010
07:1986816Exactly. My concern is with "parents" who continually and persistently evidence risky behaviour like drug abuse and chaotic lifestyles and still get to look after their children, sometimes with tragic (and very forseeable) consequences, not stable and clearly committed parents of whatever age, gender or sexual preference who simply want to be good parents and have the ability to deliver.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 December 2010
09:3286820A young babys needs its own mum.not a nanny,or two men but its own mum.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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30 December 2010
09:4986821Vic, my wife works and this old man stays at home and raises four children (at the moment with four of us trying to get over the dreaded sickness bug and my son glued to the television). They all know that they are in a loving family and that they have a parent there for them when they need them.
Reg and David, rather than having a child created for them, have sought out a surrogate, donated the sperm and seen the boy develop. In many ways this shows far more commitment than the couple who have a drunken fumble one night and find themselves as parents.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour