Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Surely there is no such thing as "artificially inflated house prices". House prices rise because there are buyers who will pay the agreed price, no agreement on price no sale, that is one of the reasons why house prices have drastically fallen in so many areas of the country. It does not help that people have to save for a long time to get the high deposit required by most if not all lenders.
Part if not the main reason for the financial collapse was that bankers (almost worldwide) loaned money for almost anything without ensuring borrowers could afford the repayments, this has little to do with the cost of the house.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes it is a misquote Alexander as you are saying it is from the company when it isn't !!
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, perhaps you should state from who the link is, if you are contesting its property-rights owner.
Not that this is really relevant, as my reference is to the information it contains, which does correspond to fact.
The information in the link has been on the Web for a long time, it has not been challenged by Tilmanstone Salads, because it is an account of the reality. They do recruit out of principal Eastern Europeans for a large part of the work they do.
I was told by some Lithuanians once that only the line-leaders there are English.
In fact different Lithuanians independently from each other have told me that the work agency phones them in the afternoon to tell them whether they should go to work the following day.
Often they are days on end without work, waiting for a phone-call, and sometimes this means that they have difficulty paying the rent. To me this seems rather unethical all way round, for British and for Eastern European people.
Their work contract would seem rather dubious: holiday money? sickness money? redundancy?
British people cannot sign off and on again every two weeks continuously, indeed the Job Centre doesn't want them to, as it creates too much problems with the paper-work, and each time JSA and housing benefit are stopped, and recommence after one month.
So the idea of just giving this sort of work to Eastern Europeans doesn't seem right either, as they then have financial problems. In fact the Lithuanians complained bitterly about it to me. It stresses one off when you don't know whether you can pay the rent next week or do the shopping!
In my view, this sort of employment "ethic" in Dover District needs addressing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan, to get an idea of whether house prices are justified, or the result of gross speculation, you'd need to know about toxic investments. Before 2008, the US mortgage-housing market was the object of a disgusting form of speculation, as mortgages were sold from one company to another in packages, or batches.
With each sale, the mortgages went up. Even some banks purchased these batches of mortgages.
The result was that the mortgages were so high, that American home-owners simply could not pay their loans off, which meanwhile were as much as four times the real value of the house. Many such "packages" ended up being sold from America to Europe, as every company involved tried to add their personal profit to the mortgages.
The bubble burst in 2008.
Barry will tell you it was all Gordon Brown. You are free to believe in such a simple explanation.
Some people believe Father Christmas comes down the chimney at night.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#37, last week I worked 81 hours. That works out at well below minimum wage.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Alexander. Talking to you is a waste of time because the facts and reality do not suit you. You need to grow up and enter the real world. What is more I have told you before and I am telling you again - stop lying about and misrepresenting my opinions. Stick to your own fantasies.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I think I will go back to ignoring Alexander's postings as any reply is a waste of effort even though I am an old lady with a lot of life experience and reasonable intelligence I do not know what I am talking about if my view differs from his narrow dogma.
I do hope today is not going to be one of "those" days.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Quoting what you said Alexander:
"From the Tilmanstone Salads website:
"All workers are recruited through two main temporary work agencies, both of which are licensed by the Gangmaster Licensing Authority (GLA). The seasonal nature of Tilmanstone's business necessitates the need for fluctuating numbers of agency workers on a daily basis. The majority of agency workers are migrant workers from Eastern European countries such as Latvia, Lithuania and Poland."
www.ethicaltrade.org/in-action/tilmanstone-salads
It's a policy to recruit agency workers from Eastern Europe, full stop!"
It isn't the Tilmanstone Salad's wesbsite you are quoting from, it is a totally different website so how you can state that it is their 'policy' I don't know. A fact is totally different from a policy....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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People must be encouraged to question everything in imposed-economy they feel is wrong, and to disagree with aspects of insane economy. Not to do so would be to give in. People who strive for Justice need to do this, otherwise they would give in and wouldn't achieve anything.
The kind of speculation-driven economy you advocate, Barry, would only thrive with all its debt-associated woes and bankruptcies, so long as people voted for it!
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,560
Although there's a drop in the unemployment figures, it seems the jobless in Dover increased by 121, which is worrying.
Where did these jobs go from?
These stats are for the 3 months until November. Why did this change from a monthly figure? Some sort of political fiddle presumably?
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/home/2013/january/23/jobless_total_falls.aspxGuest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I've put forward Dover's case (and District) to the Department for Transport in a recent letter whilst enquiring about local regeneration, which was one of the fundamental issues in the Public Consultation on DHB's bid.
Hopefully they will reply.