Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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#21
#9 "The bloated public sector was stifling the more important private sector, more important because all the funding for the public sector is derived ultimately from the private sector".
The private sector was not 'stifled' by the public sector. It choked on its own greed and profligacy.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#22
Mark - without an efficient and profitable private sector we would all be living in the same kind of conditions as North Korea.
It is the greed, inefficiency, waste and cost of the public sector and the high benefit bill that is the whole cause of our problems brought about by politicians who think they know better how to spend our money than we do.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#23
It is the greed, inefficiency, waste and cost to the public sector...brought about by the rise of beancounters whose concern is solely for their own bottom line, that has brought us to our current sorry pass.
There may well be an argument to be had on the rights and wrongs of all of this, but by extolling the virtue of the throw-away culture of the current inept businessman and blaming the detritus itself for piling up is to bypass the nineteenth century and take us back to dark age of feudal times.
The trouble lies in the ease with which money makes money...without anything actually being done. Why employ people, why keep the shop open, why encourage the debt to be paid off, when there is so much wealth to be 'created' just by leaving so much to rot?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#24
2 things in play,
wages going down in the privet sector indicates a drop of.
if you go to the job sites you will see lots of jobs at joke wages . Employment agencies advertise lots of jobs that do not exists, this boosts there contact list, and they get money from the premium phone lines
Projects and spending from the last government still filtering out of the system.
People with savings will avoided the dole office because it's a pain in the ass
I don't think we will see the true numbers until 2 years time
But decline is assured until we bring back UK production and become more self sufficient
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#25
Tom - You can only be living in a dream world if you believe post #23. I cannot imagine that you actually believe even a fraction of what you say.
Yours is a funny world with no relationship to reality if you do. A world in which no-one has to work and all can live happily ever after on benefits. A world where there is no wealth being created to pay for it, where we all have to live in an officially approved manner. Dantes hell seems much more fun than than your world..
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#26
Surely it's better to have people employed on low wages than paying them even less to do nothing.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#27
That is no bad beginning Peter. They'll need a bit more to eat and more hot water too. Then there is the rent, the transport, utility bills, work clothes and shoes and dentists and prescriptions. Should they be allowed spending money?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#28
If the cost of houses and rent are brought into line with their real market value, with a reduction of, say, 50% (at least), then the minimum wage of £6.19 an hour could suffice.
This would also bring down the cost of housing benefits.
London's absurd house and rent prices need to be reduced by 80%.
But unless we have an end to EU policy, we will just see rent surging upwards, coupled with the need to build hundreds of thousands of houses a year, to accommodate the massive influx of workers and their families.
And, of-course, we need to re-establish the lost spheres of industrial production, such as our lost textile and electronics industries, and allow (and encourage) our own young people to work as seasonal crop gatherers.
Until such time as we leave the EU, we can forget all this and forget economic recovery.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#29
Higher wages only come with greater profitability. If people are willing to work for a particular wage then so be it. The market determines, or should determine, the price for the job. Make it easier and cheaper to employ people and reduce the risk of taking them on and you will encourage more jobs, get employment growth, create more wealth from more profits and in so doing increase demand for employees pushing up wages - unless of course cheap overseas labour is allowed in because Brits prefer to sit on their backsides on benefits.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#30
Alexander - rent is set at what people, the market determine, based on a willing potential tenant and a willing landlord. Same applies to property prices. That is what the 'real market value' is about not some daft concept you have about artificially bodged figure of what you think is 'real market value'.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#31
That's only your personal opinion, Barry. It's not a universally accepted scientific fact.
In the Middle Ages, the Vatican taught the world was square.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#32
a rather strange world we inhabit where barry can say "brits prefer to sit on their backsides on benefits", substitute any other race or nationality with "brits" the furore would be immense.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#33
This is Britain Howard, who needs Britons? If they (we) cannot be driven to be forced labour, there is nothing else for it but to scour the globe for those who will. This is UK Plc after all and no British Nation.
Oh well, if these new slavelets claim their right to vote, who knows but they and their Tories can exile the rest of us.
...unless we all register to vote and determine within ourselves to vote FOR something next time.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#34
From the Tilmanstone Salads website:
"All workers are recruited through two main temporary work agencies, both of which are licensed by the Gangmaster Licensing Authority (GLA). The seasonal nature of Tilmanstone's business necessitates the need for fluctuating numbers of agency workers on a daily basis. The majority of agency workers are migrant workers from Eastern European countries such as Latvia, Lithuania and Poland."
www.ethicaltrade.org/in-action/tilmanstone-salads
It's a policy to recruit agency workers from Eastern Europe, full stop!
Jan Higgins
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#35
Gosh there are some doom and gloom merchants on this forum who seem to delight in finding fault with anything and everything.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#36
Context Howard, context.
Alexander #31 - It really is not worth talking to you as you do simply have no concept of reality. Go on living in your dream world making it up as you go along.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#37
People sell there labour ,they expect a return For effort
I have a price that I won't go under in my trade , I consider all the costs to stay in the black
I think peter and Barry have a level that they will not sell there labour for to!
I could be wrong but I cannot see them doing there work for £6,19 ph,
Even if some Lithuanians could do there jobs at these prices.
I wonder if the new owner of peters old bar can make a go on les ?
Probably not
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#38
#34 - Alexander, you will find that isn't Tilmanstone Salad's website, this is another website just quoting a fact and not a 'policy' !!
Tilmanstone Salads is part of the Bakkavor group and this is their website
http://www.bakkavor.com/
Continuing your favourite subject misquotes and misstatements ?
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#39
There is absolutely no misquote or misstatement in my post, Paul.
It is quite evident proof that one major employer in Dover District recruits principally Eastern Europeans out of policy, through work-agencies. End of!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#40
Barry, you are advocating speculation within the economy, which is within your right, but this doesn't mean that you are right and I am wrong on this subject.
To artificially increase rent and house prices might seem alright to you, but not to me.
So it is your view vs mine. Perhaps others should judge who is right or wrong!
The bankrupt economy has already proven that your artificially inflated house/property prices philosophy sparked off the 2008 financial collapse. Spain and Ireland in particular really got clobbered on that one.
Perhaps it isn't worth talking to you, Barry, or again, perhaps it is?