Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Not sure what list you are looking at Howard, but both today's visitors (Costa Fortuna/Crystal Serenity) are listed on the Cruise Calls on the Port of Dover website.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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I think that's a different point to regeneration, Howard. Surely the port is attempting to address these issues by attracting private sector investment to fund a possible second terminal to alleviate some of these problems. On the employment front, the ferry companies have had to respond to the challenge of the Channel Tunnel and the introduction of the low-cost airlines. No one had heard of easyJet ten years ago! The port has responded to these changes, for example, by developing the cruise business. In any event, the port is restricted in what it can spend money on by its Trust Port status. That's why the previous government initiated this whole process.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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DHB have to spend some 87 million £ on maintenance at Eastern Docks, and a T2 has always been a forgone conclusion in my representations to Gov., albeit for a rail link.
This would alleviate Dover from increased port road-traffic.
Another plan on my agenda is a tunnel through Townwall ST, and possibly also Snargate St., to relieve Dover from Eastern Docks traffic.
Without a T2 plan, and without any mention of the expenses needed to refurbish Eastern Docks (87 Million), DPPT seems somewhat at odds with their plans.
It appears to be too simplistic, excluding the Port from future development.
As previously mentioned, the Government is looking into road tolls for future revenues, it has been brought up several times by the Cabinet, and so I am confident that my port-toll proposal will see an extra income both for Port expansion (T2) and for local Council revenues.
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n ot sure alexander D.H.B. has that kind of dough
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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From the "TheyWorkForYou" website:
Upcoming Business - Commons: Main Chamber (12 Jun 2012)
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/calendar/?d=2012-06-12#cal28114
Future of the Port of Dover - Charlie Elphicke. *Adjournment debate*
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Interesting foot note..........``hardly ever rebels against the party``..........must be the `whip`or what his leader has told
his party what he wants to happen.......he has to keep in line if he wants a ``job``................
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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After many years of investing less than £3m per annum on average in maintenance and improvements, DHB published a major refurbishment programme last year of approx £87m over 5 years. The first tranche of this spending was approved by the Board on Tuesday. We know that the money is available for this programme, in fact, if DHB method of privatisation does not proceed and no private equity investors have to be serviced at normal PE return rates of 8.5%, then significantly more money is available for investment in catch up maintenance and refurbishment. The DPPT business plan, which has been heavily scrutinised by experts in the field, provides for £100m of investment in catch up maintenance and refurbishment within the first 5 years of the plan (this is £13m more than the current DHB plan).
As stated on other threads and throughout discussions and presentations on the subject, DPPT has developed plans for the Western part of the Harbour. To say that DPPT has no plans in this regard is absolutely untrue. It is equally untrue to state that DPPT has made no provision for refurbishment and maintenance. It would be preferable if forumites could refrain from stating untruths as if they were facts, especially when such matters have been discussed and explained at some length on other threads.
A commitment to build T2, as laid out in the DHB paperwork, is specifically and explicitly excluded from the privatisation as per DHB's previous proposals, we'll see what, if anything, is different in this regard when they publish the new one.
The DHB Masterplan is in need of a significant review and will need to be reworked in consultation with stakeholders, highways, railways, regional planning, town officials, community representatives, port users, etc. There is nothing simplistic in what we are doing in this regard. The continued development of Dover as a major UK Infrastructure hub and key European transport node is a most involved and complex issue. The port's position geographically, marching right up into the town as it does, makes growth and development even more sensitive. I have been in charge of the development of new port facilities from greenfield and brownfield standing starts and am more than well aware of what will be required in this regard.
The DPPT regeneration vehicle has well thought out plans for reconnecting Dover with its sea front and strengthening that connection over time. Some of these plans will be subject to consultation with the community and other stakeholders and will not be fully mature until they have been properly consulted.
Kevin, the UK is the only country in the developed world that sells its port estates to the private sector in their entirety. Pretty much everywhere else, including the arch private sector champion the USA, retains ownership in public hands and, at the most, sells long term leases or concessions to private sector companies to operate and build up parts of the port estate. The previous government invited the remaining Trust ports to re-examine their existing strucure, ownership and governance and to put forward any proposals for change that they might come up with as a result of that re-evaluation. DHB initiated the privatisation themselves under section 2 of the 1991 Ports Act, alone among the major Trust Ports to do so, having said in a public forum just six months previously that they had no plans to privatise (Vic M asked the question I believe).
Port authorities and port operators around the world have been recognising their role in the development and regeneration of their associated towns and cities for many years now and there are shining examples of excellent port-town and port-city relationships from many countries and regions. Relationships that see heavy investment by the port in its community and by the community in its port. Just one example of many that I could bring to mind is a NZ port that has contributed NZ$120m in cash to redevelopment and regeneration in its surrounding communities over the last 14 years. Other examples can be found in Spain, Belgium, France, Germany, Scandinavia, the USA, Canada, South America, Australia, China, Philippines, Malaysia, the Middle East, the list goes on and on. The UK is way behind the game in this regard and part of what we aim to achieve with the DPPT project is to bring best practice in this area to Dover and its surrounding communities.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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looks like a good website ed, just signed up for it.
will be intereting to see how charlie votes, i note that he has voted "moderstely" for more eurpean integration.
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You get email alerts when he's spoken in debates, asked written questions to ministers, sponsored bills, etc. You can pretty much follow any MP's activity with about a 24 hour delay. Indeed a very useful site.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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can't believe i didn't know about it before neil, both our present and previous m.p. have/had a column in the express but that is all.
gwyn did hold surgeries whereas charlie doesn't so all we see is charlie at pmq now and then.
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Charlie does do surgeries, pre-booked via his office.
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Gwyn outside the Town Hall reminded me of Lucy in the Peanuts cartoons.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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barryw
cant see it on the association or charlies own website
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I signed up a long time ago, for Charlie as well as a few other MPs pertinent to my jobs. It's a good site!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Under Secretary of State for Transport, Mike Penning, and Dr. Bob Goldfield of DHB have visited Taiwan to meet with the president of Taiwanese ports and other Taiwanese port officials.
The relationship between DHB and Taiwan ports is to be intensified, and a return visit of the Taiwanese Ports president to Dover is expected some time in the future.
DHB offers expertise knowledge in advance ports operations around the world, and are intensifying their relationship in this aspect, with Government support, as can be seen here.
Somehow I think DPPT is fighting an uphill battle in trying to replace the DHB management.
In my opinion, the current management have plenty of recognition worldwide, and in Government, as being instrumental in British economic development and growth and international economic cooperation.
In my representations, while countering their privatisation request, I have never proposed that DHB be replaced.
Even the idea that the current Board control pass to local Government does not mean in any way the demise of DHB. Such a transfer proposal is only owing to the idea that local Government should be the delivery arm of central Government policies.
This in fact is standing Government policy, which somehow coincided with my views in early 2010 during the first consultation phase.
But DHB management of the Port of Dover would remain intact.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting post alex but i should point out that neil w of dppt is highly qualified in designing/developing ports and terminals.
that's what he does for a living.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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faiir to say also that no one has proposed that those presently in dhb employment
may well stay in position under any new owner
am i right?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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as far as i know that is true keith unless there has been an answer somewhere in the melee here.
some d.h.b. staff fear that the port will be controlled by an overseas owner that will bring in their own people.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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just alexander howard is suggesting the present managers will go in any take over
yet i'v not seen this in any posting
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, as I understand it, in the DPPT plan, the present managers of DHB would be no longer working at the Docks. I'm sure Peter will let us know if it is otherwise
