Keith Sansum1
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Well here we are in conference season, the lib dems start off this week with clegg trying to distance himself from the tories(to late for that) saying he will oppose the issue around the 50p rate top rate
of course he has given himself a cop out clause by saying if its proved it makes no dosh for the govt he could well change his mind.
but sadly what will happen is he will make a wonderful speech preaching to the converted, of course cleggy has already gone back on his word before, so no one believes him anymore, not even those in his own party.
The tories im sure will remain fairly quiet during lib dem week, knowing there conference is to follow and they don't want to muddy the waters.
whilst the co olition cobbled together 2 main parties will pretend to distance themselves with one eye on the next election, everyone sees through it all
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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It should be an interesting LibDem conference, just to see if they still have anything to offer..or are they doomed as forecast to the pit of oblivion. I agree with Clegg re the 50p rate. How can we as politicians said he, give the top few a huge cut in taxes when everyone else at the middle to lower end is being asked to pay more. The household budget is beleagured like never before.
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PAULB;
Whilst i share the view, sadly cleggy is no longer seen as a man of his word, and whilst preaching to the converted will be amusing entertainment, it will be more interesting to everyone to see if he carries out this so called committment.
cleggy and his lot have done a lot of damage to the lib dem cause
which they will find out at the next election
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think they will opt out of the 50p tax band and go for a mansion tax as an easy option.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
The Lib Dems lost any support I might have had for them when they reneged on the tuition fees. Proper education should not only be free but should be subsidised. And before BarryW becomes apoplectic, I mean that it should also be targeted and there should be many levels and streams of education - not everyone is academic, but then not everyone is artistic or skilled with bricks; and there are some courses that appear to serve no purpose. But real, proper, mind expanding life changing person developing education should be free and supported. I am outraged at the libdems in particular because they actually reneged, but any government who charge for education at the point of delivery, or who introduce anything that deters people from learning, should be drummed out.
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I am braced.......
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Yes will be very interesting to hear what Mr Glegg has to say, will anyone trust what he has say, no matter what his words are the trust is lost to many of us the public.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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jan;
nice to see you on here
whilst the lib dems have lost support and will be humilated at the next election
your ed milliband is not favouring much better, he may well hold his own as an opposition leader, but people are expecting far more from him and his cabinet.
talking of his cabinet, he maybe wants to loook at whos in his shadow cabinet and prepare himself for office.
what we see at the moment is the very thing that switches people off politics
the shouting at each other at the despatch box each wed fools no one
and both leaders of the 2 main parties said they would move away from this type of exchange, neither have done so.
whilst its good to be critical of other parties at the moment labour both nationally and locally spend far to much time just slagging off what the tories are doing, that in itself is not a problem, what the public want to hear is, what would labour do instead?
watching mike eddys press releases attacking the tories im sure lost him his county seat whch he obviously hasnt learnt from.
it would hearten so many people to know that labour is on the way back and ready to govern.
from what i see both nationally and the silly press releases locally
they have a lot of re building to do.
maybe even throw in the odd policy or 2?
as i have said many times i cant afford the tories in to long
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Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You're a brave woman Bern, well said, I couldn't have said it better
I'll be standing right beside you if BarryW is overcome with anger
Nick Clegg will never ever be trusted again by the British Public, not least by the thousands of university students that he abandoned mercilessly
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i have not an ounce of sympathy for him
hes got it all coming to him
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Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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My heart bleeds for him NOT
Go Keith
Can someone please tell this thick old sod why are the labor party stirring up the unions to go on strike, this will not only cause hard ship for them and there families but for all of us. some people don't have brains any more they think with whats between there legs, and do labor think that if there are strikes the people of this country would vote them back in, they really think the people of this country have no brains to know what they are up to, grow up children and stop throwing your dummies out of the Pram. I am not a Tory voter just vote for who will do the most good for this country and at this time its not the Labor party.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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my understanding is that the reds are doing the exact opposite, just as they asked the unions to desist from strking earlier this year,
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The problem with the 50p rate is that a part of the people with a high income can invest some of it abroad, following some alleys known to them, and so avoid declaring their full income in Britain.
Such people evidently don't want to know of the idea: "we're all in this together".
While many undergo economic deprivation, and have to make sacrifices owing to State spending cuts, inflation, unemployment, minimum wage, mortgage and rent difficulties, others just hold the State to ransom and willy nilly think of avoiding the full payment of tax on their high revenues.
In other words, if you don't reduce the 50p rate, we'll just declare less income, following some legal alleys.
I believe we're heading into a two-side society, with a part of the wealthy having sided for egoism, while the other side are bearing the brunt of economic downfall.
We're not all in this together!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander
there always has been a 2 tier sstem
the haves and the have nots
it will get worse under this cobbled togethrer government.
alan;
howards right, ed milliband went to the TUC conference asking the unions not to strike. howard is also correct this is labour trying to be a responsible party waiting to go into govt.
whether this tactic works is another question.
i think labour has over the years sold its soul and doing more to please the middle classes and those at the bottom are getting forgotten.
the labour party needs to re engage with everyone
so in answer alan he didnt.
once all the hot air blows over we do need to look at, if we dont want strikes, then if talks break down what alternative do we have?
at the moment things sare laid to much in the hands of employers making it difficult for serious negotiation.
of course under this cobbled together govt relationships between employers/unions are likely to get worse
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Labour hasn't sold it's soul, it has become an entirely different entity in order to be elected. That is what political parties and politicians do, it is part of the job description. If you want some good old socialist principles you will need to join the Socialist Workers Party or similar. What is left of Labour (if you will pardon the pun) is Magnolia Politics.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite right, no point in having principles and shouting from the sidelines.
tony blair knew this hence the 13 years in power, bringing in the minimum wage and tax credits for less well off working people.
with the dated left they would have just pontificated about things and remained in opposition.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, there was actually a middle class, neither rich nor poor.
This middle class is gradually dissolving, some becoming rich, and many others on the down slide.
When large sectors of the average working people slide into poverty, that's when sentiments change. It's gradual, but is happening.
When people realise that the economic situation and personal chances in society won't get better, but only worse, they don't tend to give credit to the parties and their programmes.
No doubt the LibDems are aware of it, which is why they want to hold to the 50p rate, to show they are on the side of the average people who are getting poorer and don't privilege the wealthy.
But it's a feable move, rather unconvincing, and either way won't change the substance of things in terms of economic results.