Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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6 February 2011
06:4891610#1
A new report out today indicates that 10000 police jobs are to go before the end of 2012.This will be achieved by natural wastage,a reduction in new intakes and more worringly forced redunancy.
What amazes me is the force reduces its Bobbies on the street retires them with a pension payable immediately then rehires them in some form of clerical ability.Crazy we are paying the same officer twice.
We need to look at their retirement age, currently 55 and bring them in line with other civil servants.Therefore when they are deemed to old to chase the bad guys they then move on to a desk job until reaching 65 yrs.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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6 February 2011
16:3091679#2
This item is all over the news today. The Tories completely denied, as did glove puppet Nick Clegg, that there would be any frontline cuts and here we are...this is the reality as Marek mentions above... 10,000 are to go.
This information came from Labour. The Conservatives have issued a statement mumbling something that its not about numbers, its about how they use the workforce. But you and I know that's baloney, but note there was no denial re the numbers.
Cuts to hospitals and treatments, have seen this first hand myself already. Cuts to libraries, we've heard about the weekend demos to keep them open. Strident cuts to the police force...whats going to be left after all these cuts. It may save money but what sort of a society will we be left with?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2011
16:5191684#3
i can see the sense in the police cuts, if there are going to be fewer prison places there is no point in nicking people in the first place.
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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6 February 2011
17:1791688#4
Actually it is not just the officers at risk but the civilians who work with them. A member of my family has been waiting to hear about her job for several months after many years service.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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6 February 2011
17:5191694#5
Why don't we make crime illegal? Some of the sentences handed down recently are an encouragement or reward rather than deterrent if punishment.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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6 February 2011
18:5191702#6
Bring back a stronger workforce....
Police Sgt Alfred Nash c.1900:
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DT1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2011
19:5991721#7
It will be fine. People should be more accountable for being victims of crime. It should be the personal responsibility of individuals to put in crime deterrents for themselves. They should not be dependent on the nanny state and excessive policing created over the last 13 years.
The overspending on policing by the last government has contributed to our current financial position and cuts must be made. The deficit is growing at a rate equating to 1 policeman's wage and the cost of half a police horse per second. We can't go on like this. People can no longer look to the state when they have a crime problem...remember 'we're all in this together' and that includes criminals. If only we could privatise the activity of criminals and their actions would regulate themselves.
I think I am getting the hang of this Big Society thing...I can't believe how stupid I have been!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2011
20:1291724#8
is it me or was there a certain irony in that last post, not like darren if it was?
sheli mentions backroom or civilian staff, this is what the government keep saying.
we will have to wait and see how this affects visible policing.
DT1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2011
20:4591727#9
Yes, sorry. I think I'm just getting to the point where I'm tired of the same lines from our 'leaders'!
Although I am also getting more and more confused with the English Language. Last week I confused 'Accept' with 'Except', now 'Sincerity' with 'Irony'.
This has only been made worse by the word 'Society' being redifined. And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, I no longer know the difference between a town and a city.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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6 February 2011
21:1991733#10
The news I saw said 20,000 by 2013.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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6 February 2011
22:5191744#11
Darren, it's time we had a quiet chat....
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
11:1391812#12
it all seems very confused as evidenced by ian saying he had heard the figure would be 20,000.
the government insist that front line policing will not be affected.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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7 February 2011
11:3891816#13
Im second guessing Ian here but he may have been thrown off course slightly by the mention of 20% rather than 20.000...
the info is that 20% cuts equate to 10,000 police officers by 2013.
The figures come from the Labour Party press release.
This was what made the headlines yesterday.
I didnt see a mention of 20,000 although of course the rolling news channels seem to make some of it up as they go along, lets face it they have a lot of hours to fill, and then retract or amend it later.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
13:0491819#14
You really should take Labour spin with a very healthy pinch of salt. Added to which you have vested interests trying to protect their empires. plenty of very dubious extrapolations will continue to be made.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
13:3791822#15
i think most of the public look at the statements from the parties and take a jaundiced view.
ever since the arrival of the saatchi brothers politicians are well advised on how to put their policies over in a way that confuse the public. the police issue is important to all of us, we have yet to discover how having fewer police will carry on the same way as they do at present.
the obvious thing to all of us is to cut the ridiculous amount of paperwork allowing officers to be out on the street. the home secretary promised us this would happen the day she took the job, no sign of it happening though.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
14:1791825#16
You are right Howard except that Theresa May has, indeed, been making improvments on the paperwork front as far as the Home Office is concerned anyway but there is still a long way to go on that front.
Brian Dixon
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7 February 2011
17:3391841#17
if 10000 are to go thats the entire police force in wales plus 1 medium sized police force in england.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
17:3591843#18
Like I said Brian - you should not believe all you are told.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
17:3891845#19
from the head hocho himself.a chief constable a most senior one as it happens,and not a labour or tory minion in site.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
17:4591848#20
Still a vested interest fighting a corner. Beware of them all...
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