Keith Sansum1
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Wasnt it something to do with the privately run pre school group that had concerns as i recall
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't recall that bit at all Keith - just objections from residents. If I remember correctly, you and Sheila were dead against it too.
Peter - yes, Dover Town Council does have a statutory obligation to look after allotments - that they own. MCD own this allotment, but "loaned" it to DTC to manage and now they don't want it for some reason - maybe the allotments are not being taken up and cultivated, in which case they may as well have a small part (I believe there's around 27 or so separate allotments) made into a play area for local children.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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At the time many allotment owners were on the site and rightly objecting
Also there were concerns from the playgroup but they are a private concern and cannot speak on there behalf
im unaware if the situation has changed
as that was when i was part of the political arena
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Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Westbury allottments are fully occupied, no vacant sites, as one comes empty another person takes the allotment, there is a waiting list, so that is out of the question, DTC are given them up in September, but consultations with others to take them over and run them are in hand. Paul there has not been a vacant site there for many years
Sheila
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Roger
Yes the Association would object, we get a lot of damage done to the centre, by children climbing over the gates, also it would make the pre-school not so secure as the centre opens up into the approach to the allotments, and it is the centre which maintain this entrance, and approach
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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So there we have it. At the time when the allotments were not fully used and a solution could be found ,the people who shout most about a play area were the cheer leaders against.
You could not make it up.
Perhaps that's why some people don't get taken credibly
Watts
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What's that? If it wasn't for the public Public Office would be a doddle.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In the past and through public consultation the allotment site was objected to, and am positively certain they would be again. We DO need a play area urgently, but the allotments are not the solution. More and more people are turning back to growing there own food, so why take away good arable land,
Roger if you remember Municipal Charities did not want to sell the land, and hopefully and as far as i'm aware still don't, otherwise why are they in talks as to the running of the allotments, it is about time the council put a compulsive purchase order on the land at the bottom of Clarendon Street, this is an eyesore and rubbish tip for all, the owner has put in for planning to build, on numerous occasions but never does anything, a play area here would be ideal.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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last i heard was that the malvern road site was contaminated land, how that affects development there is another matter.
assuming it is not i would have thought the site too large/expensive for a play area.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Sheila.
If all the allotments are taken up, why do you (the Town Council) not want them anymore ? If MCD decided to sell the land, developers could buy it and put in an application for housing - would a play area or housing be preferred ? I'm not saying this would happen, but it could.
On your other point, do you mean the land at the bottom of Malvern Road ? If so, there are two plots there, one is owned by J.C. Decaux (they have the advertising board facing the Folkestone Road, next to the old Boston Guest House) and the otherr has an extant planning permission for housing, so the owner won't sell it for a play area.
I do agree it is an eyesore of the first degree and have written to DDC to see if they can force the owner to tidy it up.
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Roger
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Roger
The Town Council only took the managing up for 5 years, the rent for these allotments are minimal, and barely cover the costs of the inspections and any notifications to an individual of not cultivating or looking after their allotment, the tenants are very happy the way we run the allotments, if MC decided to sell I'm almost sure, if the price was right the Town would purchase, as allotments are in great demand, but they are not for sell, talks are in hand as to the running of them
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Why did DTC withdraw from running them?Both Roger and Myself are on Municipal Charities.
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Thanks Sheila.
Is it 5 years since DTC took them over ? If so, that has gone very quickly. I appreciate what you say about costs, but surely Maxton doesn't make a "profit" does it ?
Sue - I guess DTC felt the expense of running them, wasn't worth the community benefit, against the cost and that maybe why they didn't seek to continue with administrating/running them.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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There you have it whilst watty tries to stir the poop
in reality he knows a number of sites were at that time considered and pushed for at that time all declined
thankyou sheila for correcting him
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It's not that PaulW is stirring the poop as you call it Keith, but the most vocal about not having a play area (you and Shiela)were the two who were saying (loudest) that one could not go at the Westbury Allotments - or even a small part of it, that's all.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Roger
I'm sure you and watty can do better than this
please give all the story not just part
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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kieth,they are talking purple carrots and potatos.along with white onions,brocoli and red cabbage,so no room for a play park.not after the poly tunnel for the tomatos.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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OK brian
thanks for your imput
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Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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If you are that interested at what the allotments costs are, go into the office and see the expenditure and income of the allotments, Council rents are alot higher than those at Westbury, council hands tied on what the rents are at Westbury, and regards a play area there, totally out of the question, people moan now at the noise that the centre creates sometimes from youth club and childrens disco's as well as private parties, kids climbing over walls into gardens, and getting on to the allotments to get the balls
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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just keeping you up to speed kieth,you know hard times,so having to grow your 5 a day thingys.
