Packing in.
- 17 July 2011 21:13115263I have just got back in and for once I have no more to say at this time. thank you.
- 17 July 2011 21:14115264can i add that i have nothing further to add too?
- Keith Sansum1
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17 July 2011 21:16115265Vic
alexander has made some serious comments about you
normally you would be on here defending yourself
by your silence would only confirm alexander to be correct
people would view you in a different lightALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 July 2011 21:23115270Alex is not a member of Dover UKIP and never has been, as for being a member of UKIP I have already said I do not know,and I will not be asking around to see if he is or not, I am only at this time chairman of Dover.I have not been silence,but as I said I have only just got back from a meeting.I hope that has made it clear,even for you Keith .
- Keith Sansum1
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17 July 2011 21:32115273well then alexander accordng to vic, your lieing you have never been a member of ukip?
strange very strange
dover labour party had a fairly high number of members when i was with them and i would hav a rough idea of who were members
alexaner who is fairly high profile vic would have known as the local branch chair,
did you, alexander go to different meetings to vic??? strangeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 July 2011 21:36115274Keith do not put words in my mouth thank you, I have never said anyone is lieing,I did not say Alex is not a member of UKIP,I said I do not know.
- Keith Sansum1
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17 July 2011 21:43115275i always thought i understood vic even though i may disagree
clearly in post 84 vic says alexander has never been a member of local branch of ukip
that may or may not be correct
if you takes vics line and alexander joined ukip at head office, surely living in dover would make him a member of the local branch wouldnt it?ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 July 2011 22:05115276There are many blue and reds and LIB/DEM and UKIP members who are paid up with their own HQ but do not join their local branch,they just support the party they are in.
- Keith Sansum1
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17 July 2011 22:10115278vic
either you don't know how your party machineny works or alexanders words are ringing true.
i have no idea how the tories or the finished lib dems parties work
but i can tell you that the labour party if you join nationally you would become a member of a dover branch and that branch would be notified as well as the chair/sec of the local partyALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 July 2011 23:35115285As a member of UKIP Dover branch, I received a letter from the secretary John Buckly erlier this year to attend the meeting, which was to be held at Blakes, to take part in the nomination of committee members and of the chairman.
But as Vic had already stated on the Forum then that I was not a member, and e-mailed me that I will not be allowed to speak at the meeting, I didn't bother attending it.
In fact, I had already contacted Vic proposing some kind of idea to promote local UKIP councillor candidates in trying to get the message over before the May elections, and asked Vic to organise a meeting of UKIP supporters so I could hold a speech to present myself and my ideas before standing as a councillor candidate.
Vic - the chairman - had no intention of contacting anyone among the UKIP supporters of Dover, nor the public in general, but then the Mountain doesn't need to go to Mohammed, does it?
Vic decided to exclude me from UKIP by saying I wasn't a member. In fact I had meanwhile informed him that I wished to stand as candidtae for chairman, so as to get proposals over and to get something going at party level.
Vic cannot affront a match, so he plays referee, and disqualifies the other contendent, and proclaims himself as winner without opponents, as no-one dared to challenge him.
Who challenged him was disqualified, by the referee...Vic, of-course.
Anyway, after all that, I thought that if Vic wanted to continue as chairman, ok, in fact I encouraged him after that time.
But when Vic put this thread up to announce he is packing in as chairman at the next meeting (maybe Vic will tell us when that meeting is), I advised him, on this thread (see above posts) to inform UKIP members so that candidates can come forward.
Meanwhile Vic has changed his mind and said he won't pack in after all. My point is, this is of no good to UKIP, Vic is abusing UKIP's trust in him, and I feel that it is unfair towards the party, and even if I am no longer a member (since end of June this year, as I have not renewed my membership) I still feel that it is unfair towards the party, which Vic is taking for a ride.
I make jokes, but I never joke with other people's trust and faith, with which one has to be serious and sincere.
Before I first joined UKIP, Vic had informed me that I could become chairman, as he was stepping down. When I joined, he emailed me to say: No, I've changed my mind!
Since then he has said he's packing in about 20 times, and then each time changed his mind. Instead, in all this time, he has been adding more committee posts to his list, from Lord Mayor of the Castle to President of the NHS, Rotary Holder of the Royal Charter, Lord of the Cinque Ports, Parish Councillor of half of Kent's villages, King of English Heritage, Emperor of China...
It don't bother Alexander, I enjoy life and find my way through!
I'm happy! Still, I thought it unfair on UKIP to be taken for a ride.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 17 July 2011 23:42115286Anyway, I'll be off the air for a week as from Wednesday, as I'm going to another County on a work contract.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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18 July 2011 07:15115295well it's all clear as mud.
in one corner you have undemocratic vic(according to alexander) who doesn't believe in elections and only promotes himself
in the other corner you have alexander a member of ukip since june 2010 but vic says hes lieing.
wonder which one of these two chaps is telling the truth?ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 18 July 2011 07:56115299Keith its yourself,saying that not me I said I do not know if he is a member or not,and that is still the case.There is no more to be said about the matter.And just to add to that I do NOT think he is lieing.
- 18 July 2011 09:36115305vic
you seem to be saying that there two memberships involved.
A) the national party.
B) the local party.
must work out expensive. - Jan Higgins
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18 July 2011 09:40115306Either that or the right hand chooses not know what the left hand is doing.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18 July 2011 10:33115318And the head's not in control of either!
- 18 July 2011 10:45115319Jan you could be right with that remark Chill out all of you. Could this be my first U-Turn
- 18 July 2011 16:39115376No Vic, it couldn't.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- Jan Higgins
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18 July 2011 17:34115389Vic, I was very careful with my wording, does that really mean you 'choose' not to know what is going on.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18 July 2011 17:37115390the only answer is for john buckley to clarify things, he is excellent at that.
think he is still a member but doesn't have much time to spare nowadays.