Just to follow on from yesterday about getting out of the EU, well heres yet another reason to get out.
SO WHO WANTS TO STAY IN THE EU?
Whilst we pay the EU extortionate amounts of money each month to subsidise the "fat-cat" EU farmers and prop up all the EU countries to stop them going into poverty what is happening here?
Read on to find out (BBC online, 11/Oct/2011)
Report from the IFS
Independent financial research organisation said 2.2 million children and two million working age adults were living in absolute poverty in 2009-10.
In percentage terms, 17% of UK children were living in absolute poverty in 2009-10.
It warns that in the next two years there will be deepening levels of adult and child poverty following the oil crisis and included a sterling crisis, IMF bail-out and industrial unrest.
By 2012-13, the IFS predicts this will rise to 21.8% as an extra 600,000 children and 800,000 adults of working age will be in absolute poverty.
The report also issues a stark warning of tough times for people in the so-called "squeezed middle" - with median incomes falling by 7%, after inflation has been taken into account, the sharpest drop in 35 years.
There will also be 2.5m working-age parents and four million working-age adults without children in absolute poverty by 2013, says the report.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Maybe Bob Geldorf will do a Live Aid concert for the UK's poverty stricken kids.
It's about time we got our own house in order before poking our noses into other countries affairs and problems. A stronger ,healthier and well educated Britain could then start to make a positive contribution to world affairs.
Marek
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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couldn't agree more with that, the report than alan has posted paints a grim picture for the next decade or more for us in the u.k.
let's leave the rest of the world to sort themselves out, we gain nothing by interfering.
i listened to a journalist on sky yesterday that said the overwhelming opinion of libyans is that the west are there purely to plunder their assets, not far wrong in my opinion.
Jan Higgins
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Marek and Howard,
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Pulling out of the EU to save the money we pay in is as we know UKIP thinking. They have been banging on about this one for years and years. I remember Lord So and So saying so over and over again during the election, a while before he abdicated as leader, it was their one sad policy, but did anyone listen ...no. Its like basic school sums thinking.
Nobody is prepared to risk anything right now re pulling out for fear that it would drastically affect jobs and leave us in worse poverty for the years ahead. The poverty predictions today are very disturbing and they come from the Institute of Fiscal Studies, a well respected body.
Unfortunately the poverty predictions are essentially down to our own Governments job cutting program right across the public sector. Yesterday they were asked to slow this down as many more than predicted have lost public jobs. Creating the jobs to replace those lost jobs in the private sector, has NOT happened. Mr Cameron's policy to flood us with alternative employment opportunities has NOT materialised. So as a result we have massed job losses catapulting kids into poverty with no alternative option.
Quote from the PUBLIC SECTOR EXECUTIVE newsletter..
"Public sector job losses are far worse than forecast, according to the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD). Their researchers say that the total cuts on public sector staff will be 50% higher than predicted."
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 25...................Spot on PaulB.
What ever happens in the Eurozone in the next weeks and months,we will always be and need to be in Europe.
Also agree on the effects of the cuts.
The damage will be enormous and some permanent.Any body who says the cuts should be deeper has no comprehension of the magnitude of damage that would do.
Flashman and Ossie have got it so wrong.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are truly sucked into the EU dreamworld PaulB.
Leaving the EU will not cost us jobs, we are net importers from the EU and we will not lose any export trade to them, they cannot afford to raise tarrifs against us. Look around, the EU is a mess, a total economic basket case that is dragging down the world economy.
They are far too addicted to high government spending and counter productive government interventions. Their relative economic decline will continue because of the crazy burdens they place on business as the Far East overtakes them in every way.
We must get off that declining and doomed arrangement and make sure that we can compete with the very best, or one day we will be the third world along with the EU with our begging bowls out (woops, they are out now, but it will get worse). We are better off out of the EU and we will get out though, as I have said, it will not be soon.
What has all of this got to do with "Our MP?" Charlie....
What has he actually done since coming into office....please...
Keith Sansum1
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charlie
good question
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Threads do tend to move on in various directions. The EU arose because there was a mention of it in Alan's thread starter and it seems to dominate the discussion.
Brian Dixon
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the poverty question poped up yesterday,by the the year 2020 1 in 4 children will be in poverty due to goverment cut backs and benifit changes.if this report is right within the next 20 years or so we will be in the same boat as in all the third world countrys,so bob geldofs doing a live aid for britain could become realaty.
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I agree with Barry and Alan.
The £450 million the EU costs us each day (net) could be spent on domestic needs and as Barry said, if or when we do come out, it will not affect our trade with Europe, but will open up newer and greater markets.
We will also not have to comply with the myriad of demands from Brussels beaurocrats, that only we seem to comply with.
The EU is crippling our economy more than our own belt-tightening; we spend far too much on overseas aid, we ought to support disasters, but we should not be supporting corrupt governments nor countries like India and China et al.
Some of the belt-tightening priorities are wrong.
Roger
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brian further to your posts
this govt is happy to allow;
1 million young unemployed
2 and half million people unemployed(forecast to reach 3 million)
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not happy at all Keith.
They are dealing with the appalling economic legacy of your government that has created this unemployment. It was rising fast during Brown's premiership and a result of his actions as chancellor. 200,000 jobs were lost in manufacturing alone during your 13 wasted years.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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as i said baz they are doing little to reduce figures
in fact they feel its a price wiorth paying.
don forget in years gone by(using your arguments baz)
no tory govt did much to sort out the benefits system
costing over £2billion so i understand
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Actually youth unemployment which had risen during Labour term of office was falling at the time of the election whether it would have continued to fall if they had won the General Election is another matter but it is a fact that unemployment is greatly affected by the state of the economy and its also a fact that it is now rising under a Tory government.
But Cameron should be careful as it was his govt that has scrapped Education Maintenance Allowance for teenagers who wanted to stay in education, and axed Labour's flagship back-to-work project, the Future Jobs Fund. IFS have said it could come back to haunt him.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes marek very very true'
the ema allowance kept my boy in education and helped a lot
im sure thats the case with many others his age
now others wont go that route since this govt scrapped the ema
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Governments do not create jobs. Businesses do. Keith you cannot get away from Labour's legacy whatever bluff and wind that you blow.
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Barry
Agree but govt could help by awarding contracts to Bombadier and safe guarding jobs. Westmoreland are laying off workers due to Tory Defence cuts. So they may not create jobs but to assist in losing those that we have is surely a charge that could be placed at the Tories doorsteps.
Marek
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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As you know well Marek, it is not as easy as that. Government spending is THE big problem in this country and much of the EU, that is damaging the economy. When you are digging yourself into a hole you just have to stop digging, sadly the government still does keep digging, still spending and borrowing far too much money, just at a slightly lower rate than Labour would have. Not good enough.
