#1
Charlie Elphicke,what do you think?
Charlie,
I cannot understand the conservative thinking re: bus passes.
on the one hand you tell people you want them to leave their cars at home and take the bus then you take away the free bus pass, dose this not have a kick-back of ether disabled people purchasing electric scooters or using mobility cars, either way it is more damage to the green stuff.
also what about motor cycles? I realize there is no where to put a parking ticket on a motorbike but why cant they fix a holder such as the one for their tax disc where they could place their ticket??
And there are so many speed cameras that calculate the speed as the vehicle approaches this means motor cycles can ignore them as they do not have front license plates.
on a far more serious note: are you going to fight this ruling they are trying to impose on UK re immigrants being entitled to full benefits as soon as they arrive in this country, as this means that even more eastern block, gypsies etc will be heading this way or will the conservatives really stand up and be counted with a statement to the EU stating that we will withdraw from EU if they even try to interfere with the running of this country.???????
I honestly believe it is time the country was offered a referendum on whether to remain with the EU or be independent again, where we and only we decide who, what and where we do things, I know this is an old adage but our forefathers fought two wars to stop others from deciding our destiny I don't see why we should just give it to them.
the men all over the world who did not return will be turning in their graves now.
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#2
Well said Mr Tayor,you know what you have to do to see that happen.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
interesting post from alan(sorry mr taylor), i somehow doubt whether he will ever be furnished with answers to the points he has raised.
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#4
I have texted the thread to Charlie, hopefully he will respond, although as a relatively junior backbencher he has limited influence on such matters.
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#5
howard mcsweeney whats with the Mr Taylor its Alan Please
#6
Peter Garstin Thank you for doing that its just when i have seen him speak in the house he is quite good and gets his point across.
Keith Sansum1
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#7
expect an soz cant do much answer from charlie
grand chap but wont want to blot his copy book sadly
but i hope to be surprized
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#8
Alan - just to take you up on your referendum comments. You assume that we would win a referendum to get out of the EU. I do not think we will, not yet. The LibDems are in favour of an in/out referendum - that should be enough to warn you off, they are fanatically pro-EU. A failed referendum would mean we would be stuck in this failing and incompetent organisation forever more. Timing is everything and we need to be patient.
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#9
barryw
have to share your view on a referendum probably not being won at this time
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#10
As we all know from local experience, the wording of the question may sometimes have a significant influence on the outcome. Even if all parties agreed on the need for a referendum, there would be no chance of an early agreement on the wording.
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#11
The absolute minimum we need to win an 'out' vote is the full hearted campaigning support of the government and that is not possible with a coalition. I also suspect that the EU need to take a bit more rope as well. I give it 10 years more to get to that stage unless something dramatic happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
i don't see any need for a referendum, the union will slowly crumble bit by bit.
nothing dramatic - the eurozone split into two will be the start of it.
then bit by bit we will get back to a massive trading bloc that everyone benefits by.
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#13
I still think we should push for one Howard, the stronger the 'out' voices both here and across Europe, the more likely the Brussels lot will eventually get the message. Or am I being naive?
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Brian Dixon
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#14
why do we need a referendum if we already know the answer is in.being out is not an option.
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#15
brian;
whilst i have concerns over the costs remaining in the EU i feel we should sort it out from within.
i have no strong views either way
but you are correct the anti europe brigade know they cant win a vote therefore they have a lot of work to do still to convince people.
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#16
kieth,the only reason they wont win at the moment is because the little englanders are still sitting in there caves chewing dinosaur bones.
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#17
yer
but they aint winning the argument
and they admit it as well
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#18
If the EU is a "failing and incompetent organisation" then a lot of blame has to fall on the British Euro members that we send there. Do none of them propose changes or fight for sensible policies? Do they all just sit there and bemoan our membership, while collecting their expenses? If you keep sending out members who do not want it to work then it won't.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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#19
the answer lies in the thread title, everyone knows who is our representative in the commons, we see him on the box and read his column in the press.
very few know who their representatives are in brussels so basically they are unaccountable.
every so often someone posts the names of our european representatives, and after reading the names and the vast areas that they cover we forget.
what makes the situation worse is that when a politico is rejected by the u.k. electorate or is simply past their sell by date they wash up as a commissioner on a wonderful salary accompanied by sumptuous expenses.
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#20
Chris, the blame lies with the institutional structure and the obsession of the EU fanatics to push through their federalist agenda regardless of public opinion while blatantly lying. We have a real Stalinist state being created by the EU. Elected members of the European Parliament have few real powers, the Commission is where the real power lays.
The problem with a referendum now is the reaction from certain sections of the media and the way referenda get 'directed' towards supporting either the status quo of that pushed by the government if different. Look at the history of referenda in this country. The big problem, of course, is that the media, led by the highly pro-EU BBC (they admitted their bias themselves...) will do all they can to paint the anti-EU campaigners as out-of-touch extremists, a hint of that can be seen in Brian's silly comments.
I freely admit - I want us out of this appalling organisation and it is better to get the timing and question both to meet the needs of achieving that purpose. We have all seen how the EU fiddles around subverting referenda when it suits their programme so pro-EU people cannot complain about the same being done back.