Marek, your smart-arse crack is infamous in Dover, doncha know?!
THE BIN LADEN COCKTAIL:
Two shots and a splash of water. and I believe Elton john has a new tribute cd out called sandals in the wind.
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Well anyway, the Kent Police thanked me by way of a letter.
It's amazing how there can be a war on that some claim is against Al Quaeda, others against the Taliban, and then some others make cracks about me having the Polcie called in to arrest someone preaching Bin Laden!
Is that what hundreds of British soldiers have died for in Afghanistan?
Marek, it's not me who should be ashamed!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Never said you should be ashamed Alex. I think you are mixing up your posters.
You should be careful I had a rabbbit that used to eat ham toasties and then switched to cheese toasties,still not satisfied he ate cheese n ham toasties.
Sadly he died.
The vet said he died of mixinghistoasties
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It's not that I intend to become personal, so I'll overlook these coments from Marek.
But going back to the post I made concerning the numbers of American soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and those wounded in Iraq, there is to add that every year, 6,000 American veterans commit suicide, and a further 12,000 attempt suicide.
It has also been noted that an American official who should have made this known, deliberately lied about the numbers and played them down, until there was an uproar about it, and the truth came out.
I was reading one article about how one US soldier rescued many colleagues in Iraq who had been ambushed, exposing himslef to enemy fire, while his comrades gave fcover with their weapons.
They managed to rescue them, men and woman soldiers who were trapped in an overturened vehicle, including nurses, but half of them were badly wounded.
All the time mortar fire was raining down on them.
Well, the officer in command, who with his men are back in America, said that a few of his soldiers who he knew personally told him that they cannot live on with the horrors they saw and experienced.
That was one example of a long list hat comes from war in areas like Iraq and Afghanistan, where thousands of men are maimed or killed and never manage to quell the roots of the insurgency, which only goes on.
I thinlk that the human suffering of the soldiers sent to be sacrificed in a lost cause in another country, and of their loved ones, cannot be measured by mortal people.
I suppose one could add that the Commander of the Police has recently issued a warning in Britain that terrorist attacks are very likely since Bin Laden's been cancelled, and has asked the public to be on the allert.
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Alex
Not sure where you pluck your figures from but 2010 statistics show the following that for the second year in a row, more American soldiers—both enlisted men and women and veterans—committed suicide than were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Excluding accidents and illness, 462 soldiers died in combat, while 468 committed suicide.
In 2009, there were 381 suicides by military personnel, a number that also exceeded the number of combat deaths.
No results as yet for 2011 ,obviously.
So 6000 and 12,000 sounds like senseless and unfounded progandarising for peace regardless of the consequences for the indigenous population.
Marek
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It has been disclosed that because of a paperwork, blunder there were 72 vegans awaiting Bin Laden in the afterlife.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Here is a quote from the Web. It refers to the USA.
"Of the more than 30,000 suicides in this country each year, fully 20 percent of them are acts by veterans,'' said VA Secretary Eric Shinseki at a VA-sponsored suicide prevention conference on Monday. "That means on average 18 veterans commit suicide each day. Five of those veterans are under our care at VA."
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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My research tells me that there are 90,000 American soldiers in Afghanistan.
In 2004 there were about 5,000.
It goes to show that the war there is by way out of control, and has got worse all the time.
The commanders of the Armed Forces in Britain and the Parliamentarians do not have the guts, the bravery and the will, let alone the courage, to speak the truth on this.
That is why so many young men are sacrificed in Afghanistan, or maimed, in our Army, as is the case of American and Canadian soldiers, and from other countries.
They are corrageous, but the people who send them are cowards!
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Incidentally, Marek, the suicide rate in the USA for 2006, according to Weekipedia, is: 33,289. So please don't tell me that the figures don't correspond.
You can check them on the World Health Organisation too, where Britain is listed with 17,7 suicides per year for every 100, 000 (one hundred thousand) people.
Your figures probably came from the misistry for war-propaganda!
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I hope PaulB and Howard won't tell me off for being imposing, but this piece about British veterans should also come to light.
It is from psychminded.co.uk, refers to official national information, and to Britain's soldiers after leaving the Army.
"A quarter of homeless people are ex-services and 5,000 former servicemen and women are in prison. Like Heer, most veterans seen by specialist mental welfare charity Combat Stress are unable to work and have broken marriages."
Heer, mentioned here, ticked over after seeing a dead girl in Irak in the first Gulf War.
The number of British veterans from that war (1991) who commited suicide is 5 times higher than the soldiers who died in it.
We can then ask ourselves how many committed suicide after the seconf Guld War, and after being in service in Afghanistan. And how many will commit suicide.
Oh yes, the other side of the story, the one that those in high don't tell you or me, so we have to find out ourselves.
But Marek, just where, please tell me where, do you get your information from?
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My stats are freely available on many sites and all correspond.The ones I quoted were from Crooks and Liars an anti govt but pro us service personnel publication. The organisation provides a wealth of advice , contacts and useful information.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/more-us-service-members-committed-sui
I then checked their figure with a US govt site and another site called
http://www.militarytimes.com
However to check my figures simply type in how many service men committed suicide in comparison to those killed in afghanistan and Iraq and take your pick. Far more reliable than wiki peed off.
Marek
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sorry to say this but the thought of mareks crack has spoilt my weekend.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
I have thought of little else.........
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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have you met him bern? IT IS RATHER A LARGE ONE.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon
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ian,are you cracking up,please leave the real ale alone for a while.drink more larger and have a nice day at the blood bath at twikers.
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I found the article you mentioned, Marek, last night, and it refers to the number of serving American military and veterans of the wars in Iraq and Adghanistan, showing that for the last two years, the number of suicides among these very young people is higher than those killed in battle (if an improvised bomb-blast is a battle) in the two mentioned countries.
But it also mentioned that the number of attempted suicides of serving American soldiers and veterans of Iraq-Afghanistan is over 1,200 a year.
The figures I wrote about in the original post regards ALL American veterans, including those, therefore, of Vietnam, Korea, and some other places, and I have checked them on multiple sites, and they are correct: an average of 18 American veterans a day commit suicide, about 6,000 a year.
You CANNOT dispute this, Marek! The evidence is there.
According to information available on the Web, the stress of soldiers who have been to war is systematically down-played by the establishment, which was the theme I was pointin out on this thread.
For example, more British soldiers and sailors veterans of the Falklands war have commited suicide, than those who fell in that war.
Very often, the cause is having witnessed the death (deaths) of a friend, of comrades, or of civilians. And the lack of professional treatment for the phsycholgical damage of the soldiers.
I came across an article of 2009, stating that David Cameron and Liam Fox brought to Parliament a complaint, and declared that many British soldiers serving in Afghanistan are, and will be in the future, at high risk of committing suicide.,
But once in power, these two people changed their mind, and the war went merilly on.
People who preach interventionism, usually don't go and see what the soldiers go through, once sent in to other people's wars. When they preach, they don't speak for the soldiers.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, you write as if you are the voice of the troops, you are not and you clearly do not understand the thinking and motivation of our modern day professional army.
Of course there needs to be improvements in the way we look after our veterans and service people. Given your expressed concerns I trust that you will be giving generously to the service charities who will be present at the next FrontLine Dover weekend.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, you write as if you are the voice of the troops, you are not and you clearly do not understand the thinking and motivation of our modern day professional army.
Of course there needs to be improvements in the way we look after our veterans and service people. Given your expressed concerns I trust that you will be giving generously to the service charities who will be present at the next FrontLine Dover weekend.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, I have no money to donate.
