howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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my thoughts entirely jan, possible a few african countries that never get in the news.
along with other countries special forces too.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Actually is seems the war in Libya is in a situation where the rebels cannot advance without fighting for every town; they want more weapons, and want the western warplanes to blow up the opposing army for them, to open the way for them to Tripoli, and to all the towns along the road to Tripoli, which is on the other end of Libya.
My concern has been that our Country is involved, not what the rebels think or want. The UN mandate has become a bad joke from day 1, when Col. Gedaffi's cease-fires were never accepted by the rebels (also the proposals offered by Col. Gedaffi before the UN mandate was issued), and that the UN never required from the rebels a cease-fire.
That was the worst strategy that a country could get themselves into, not to require a cease-fire from BOTH sides and to go headlong into a foreign civil war.
Anyway, Alexander is perfectly fit and is only prepared to defend Britannia's Shores.
We'll see how Parliament finds an exit strategy now from the mess that they got into with firing off Britain's missiles in someone's civil war.
Still, I wouldn't brag too loud, Barry, about British soldiers being supposedly present in Libya. If you had any knowledge at all of military strategy - which you haven't - you would know better than claiming to know what the SAS or any special forces are doing!
You do not have any such information!
If Gov. asked now that the rebels initiate a cease-fire, and attend a dialogue with the Libyan government, and the rebels tooted out their usual "we will fight on", then Gov. even now could pull out without loosing face.
This I write in the sole interests of Britain; now may-be someone will fire off a tirade on how it is in Britain's interests to go merrily on firing off Britain's missiles till there are none left!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, you would not know the 'sole interests of Britain' if it jumped up and bit you. As for your knowledge of the military, it seems to be gleaned from the carry on films and carries the same authority.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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So, Barry!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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BBC world news online has presented terrible accounts of how maids from Africa and the Philippines are treated in Lebanon.
Many are beaten, many are killed, or commit suicide, many are raped, and many get $50 a month, and are physicallt kept as slaves.
I'd like Barry to read about it, on BBC online, about democratic Lebanon!
It might give the general reader more insight as to what goes on in the world, and to whether the reader is only conditione to one-line approaches as to "bad people" and "good people".
I don't recall such accounts coming out of Libya!
Lebanon, as you may recall, is one of the promoters of the war against Libya.
If you read the articles on BBC world, or google them under keywords, you may find them distressing, massively confirmed by young women who have escaped ordeal, and might even think it appropriate that our Country break diplomatic relations with "civilised Lebanon".
But, just a different point of view this of mine, something for thought and consiideration. Not everything that comes from the end of a missile is humane, and not everything that goes on in "the civilised world of democratic Lebanon" is holy!
Barry, may I respond to you, that your authority as described in tha above post is appalling! I do not agree with your missile-preaching, with your war-mongering, and your telling people who desent from your outrageous war-mongering views that they are fools and idiots.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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AlexD
Firstly let me inform you that I am married to a Filipina who worked as a Nanny In Saudi prior to coming to the UK.
In my previous life I represented many Filipina's at Home Office Immigration Tribunals that were fighting removal who had been subjected to abuse by their employers.That abuse ranged from poor working conditions,very long hours,locked inside the house and unable to leave plus mental,verbal and sexual abuse. Were these crimes committed in Africa or Democratic Lebanon?
No most of these crimes were committed behind closed doors in the rich suburbs of Mayfair,Park Lane and St Johns Wood.
So please don't try and lecture BarryW and others on this forum about a subject you have read or heard from a BBC journalist who is paid to report such sensationalised stories. I have heard the stories,seen the bruises and in some terrible cases viewed the photos first hand. The lebabanon and Africa to use your phrase is just a small area where these horrendous crimes are committed,they are aslo being committed on your own door step.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Well pointed out Marek.
There are now some particular threads and this is one of them that is being made into a merry go round by certain members.
I know the forum is for debate but from certain members it makes it all look laughable, so on certain subjects I shan't even bother replying to them. Pointless.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
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Keith Sansum1
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ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Keith,we will be geting told off if we are not carefull.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think you have to have a little humour, or people would go crazy.
but i will try to refrain
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Marek! If I want to give good reasons why my Country should not go to war in another country, I'll do so whitout your haranguing!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alex
Please refer to Ross's posting..it will save me repeating it,
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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getting back to the thread i thought that a no fly zone just meant no great iron birds in the sky.
today we are told that french aircraft have been bombing amoured vehicles on the ground.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The UN resolution also authorised air attacks on Gadaffi's ground forces.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Also British jest have started bombing Libyan army vehicles outside a town - called Ajibaja or similar - under the pretext of defending the civilian population from them.
It so happens that this town is held by the Libyan army, and the rebels are the attacking force, coming from Benghazi, so the pretext used to bomb the Libyan army vehicles there is absurd.
This has nought to do with the UN mandate. The French jets have been doing this from day 1.
Today, many Libyan civilians are joining Col. Gedaffi's army, and are receiving weapons, in the West of the country, from Sirte to Tripoli. A civil war with the rebels intent on claiming that they will take all Libya, and many Libyans enrolling to fight the rebels, will not make our Country's involvement any easier.
Again, my sole concern has been and is that Britain is not militarily involved in another war that does not concern us. Peace mediation would have been a noble cause to represent, but not war.
The civil war in Libya, especially if the rebels receive weapons from the USA, and if western warplanes and submarines continue with bombardments, will get no better for the Libyans either!
I had hoped that these two considerations, together with the fact that PM Cameron has long ago overstepped the UN mandate, would be an alarm signal for our armed forces to get out of there now!
A Com.Res poll last Sunday showed that over half the people interviewed in Britain were against our Country's military participation in Libya, but now, that percentage is likely to have increased enormously.
The vote in Parliament on military involvement in Libya is way out of range with the public opinion: there is no comparison.
The lagality of British armed involvement in respect to the UN mandate is inexistent, and this too should be cause for alarm signals. There is a real possibility that the whole situation could spin out of control. It is utmost important that Britain does not send in any soldiers to Libya.
If PM Cameron tried that, I would suggest that there will be a change in our Constitution, by way of a referendum, in democratic fashion. I cannot see all the armed forces of our Country going along with a slaughter war in which our soldiers are sacrificed, and would reckon that there would be an outcry in the armed forces.
The fact is, that all the three parties in Parliament have compromised themselves on thi issue of military participation in Libya, so the public opinion is very important.
If things get worse in Libya, with a head-on civil war, I think that any idea of sending in our soldiers will result in a mass request for a referendum for Britain to become neutral.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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*ollocks!
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Suppose we had a referendum on Britain becoming neutral. And suppose the vote was 98% in favour. And suppose the turnout was 25%. What then, Alexander?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Kenneth Clarke has warned that Britain's aerial bombardment of Libya could result in a Lockerbie-style revenge attack on the UK if Colonel Gaddafi is not deposed.The Lord Chancellor said failing to oust the Libyan leader leaves the UK open to a retaliatory attack.
Is this war mongering or is Ken Clarke preparing the way and laying down foundations for the UK to become embroiled in a ground war?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon
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- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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marek,groundhog day springs to mind.but there again there is some oil there isnt there.
