Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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29 November 2010
18:0682310oh dear barryw
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29 November 2010
19:0182317Barry,
If I manage to come to terms with my own prejudices will you start being nice to me???
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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29 November 2010
19:1682318No Barry, but you have implied it; and I know you think it; and many of us agree with you. If other posters feel you are attacking them, if the cap fits, let them wear it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
29 November 2010
19:2582320like peter says barryw you clearly dont like to hear alternative points of view.
shame realy as others within this thread have tried to get involved with there own views.
we do all have differing points of view, and im pleased that other posters
(all sensible people)have spoken out.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
29 November 2010
19:4982325mmm yes,well the debate go's on.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 November 2010
19:5582327The opposite is true Keith - I try to get sensible debate going.
The problem here is that some do not know the difference between making statements and indulging in debate. You are one of the worse offenders, you will make a statement of belief and refuse to substantiate it with reason when challenged by an opposite viewpoint. Conversely you will take someone elses reasoned point, one with substantiation, then make an opposing view without substantiation or providing any contrary evidence on the other person's substantiation.
You seem to consider beuing challenged for reasons or substantiation as trying to stop debate - it is actually the direct opposite. Its trying to get a sensible discussion going - usually to no avail.
Peter - you are correct on the basis of 'if the cap fits' - I actually give Keith and others here though the benefit of the doubt, that they know the reasons and the terrible mess Labour created (it has been explained on here often enough after all) and it is only their political affiliations that mean they are trying to defend to undefendable... My comment were directed more to the general non-politically aligned public.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
29 November 2010
20:0082330Yawn - this is the sort of thing that turns people off politics - you guys might like to believe it is the rough and tumble of robust debate, others just see it as boorish yah boo sucks playground behaviour.
As an additional comment I would add that it takes 2 people to communicate - if no one listens you are talking to yourself
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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29 November 2010
20:0282331O dear Keith, are you calling me sensible? I should take legal advice.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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29 November 2010
20:2382336In my view it would be nice to afford tuition fees for students, but the over 900 billion pound debt prohibits so much funding in many spheres, hence the spending cuts in general. What can a Country do to afford so much spending when the Treasury is so indebited, tendency ever-worsening?
The problem of the Lib/Dems was probably to have promised something that was not affordable, and so they risk losing credit.
May-be many people, and in particular young people, do not realise that a Country that has so much debit cannot afford to continue increasing its debt. We would get to a situation in which a consistent part of the budget is used only to repay debits with the interest (which to an extent is the case), and eventually this would lead to effective bankruptcy, as happened in Greece.
Now we all know that no Country could bail us out!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
29 November 2010
20:3682339much as i enjoy a good political debate, post 27 sums up a lot of it.
once the yah boo starts up i don't bother posting any further, the wider public that are interested in current affairs switch off and leave it to the party apologists to kick lumps out of each other.
hence the phrase used by so many "they are all as bad as each other" followed by " i don't vote, it only encourages them".
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
29 November 2010
21:3382350Ross and Howard, how true
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I now think twice before I post on anything political and no longer bother to reply half the time when challenged as I know I am wasting my time.
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30 November 2010
09:2882375Barry i have a very good friend who works closly with Nick Clegg himself and the tories wanted to lumber students with a whole lot more debt than the nine grand the lib dems worked to cap it on so what else will the tories turn about face on ? ? already heard they chatting about hunting again .
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 November 2010
09:5982379Melissa - the Conservatives did not promise to get rid of or not to put up student fees so you cannot accuse them of 'turn about face' as you put it. The fees were increased as a result of the Browne report - commissioned by Labour incidentally. Coalition means a compromise between Conservatives and LibDems was necessary on implementing Labour's Browne report.
As for hunting - I certainly hope they repeal the idiotic hunting ban.
30 November 2010
11:1682384oh dear barry i hope your joking when you say that.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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30 November 2010
11:1782385Hunting is cruel, it inflicts cruel suffering on foxes and birds, and had become a bad habit.
30 November 2010
11:1982387Very true Alexander surely the rich can find more hobbies than hunting INNOCENT ANIMALS. i propose hunting rich people to pay more taxes on thier big homes, cars etc. Barry has got tunnel vision sadly
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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30 November 2010
11:3382394Excellent idea Melissa, let's hunt some lof the twisting,greedy bankers whose speculative policies brought about the collapse of the worlds' economy.
Give them 5 minutes start and then let the dogs loose. The Hedge fund will take on a completely new meaning.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 November 2010
12:4082397Dave1 - oh really.
Melissa
Some facts.
1/ Hunting is not for the rich and is not limited to fox hunting either. Many a Tower Hamlets lad like myself went hare coursing as children, a good day out exercising the greyhounds.
2/ Shooting can be a lot crueller. A wounded fox could take days to die of its wounds. In addition shooting is indescriminate and healthy young foxes (and hares etc) are killed. When hunting with dogs it is usually the sick and weak that get culled.
I do not hunt (not since going out with my dad and the greyhounds as a child) but I know enough to be aware that the legislation is unworkable nonsense and, in the interests of animal welfare, should be repealed.
Dave1 - An interesting twist from the usual left wing class bigotry against hunting spouted by the left. Targeting your scapegoats for Labour's 13 years of economic failure eh....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
30 November 2010
12:5282399i always find it strange that anyone can gain pleasure in setting a pack of dogs on another animal.
maybe they were bullied at school and getting their own back on something that cannot defend itself?
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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30 November 2010
12:5582400Barry, I vote for who I consider is going to do best for my Family and I. I am neither left wing or right wing. My first wife used to be a follower of the East Kent Hunt and took part in hunt events. She also used to go to the Hunt balls and was in her own right a very wealthy woman so don't preach to me about class. I just do not believe in hunting animals with dogs, simple as that.