Keith Sansum1
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agreed on the last 2 postings
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The red tabards worn by nurses at hospitals in Kent which prevent patients from talking to them on drug rounds serve to highlight the crisis in nursing in Britain. The rationale, according to the hospital trusts, is that patients asking for help will distract nurses giving out drugs.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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on that one issue marek it is probably correct, administrering drugs does take concentration and so easy to be distracted and give the wrong dose to the wrong person and up with serioius outcomes.
but in genera; i think the N.H.S. needs a big shake up, get in managers that can manage, if need be go backto the dayswhen there was a matron who ran the wards, get consultants to work FOR the N.H.S. rather than themselves
that would be a good start
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Marek yes what you say is true , when mels dad was in hospital it was shocking how runragged the nurses were fair enough the hcas helped but during the drug rounds on the ward we saw how easily mistakes are made by the split second by the nurse as she was pressuried by a certain male patient constantly shouting out.
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I can imagine that there will be quite a few occasions when all nurses in a ward will be wearing them and then what will happen to the patient who needs a bed-pan - or worse ?
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So marek, on that one issue i think its a good idea to let everyone know drugs are being administered.
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the hcas usually do toilet times but they are over worked we found them more friendly and helpful compaired to the nurses
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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drugs are usually done in a particulat hour of the day, this is not to say that other nurses dont give the usual care, i think it better nurses concentrate when drugs are concerned, we have seen how mistakes can be made,
my obserevations of nursiung staff is they are friendly, helpful, but t same overstretched, overworked, and do the best they can.
nursing is a very caring profession which i'm sure many of us wouldn't even consider as employment.
i recently visited 2 different forumites in 2 different hospitals and found the staff very very helpful, pleasant, and making the patients stay a happy as possible
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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My wife has just told me that she has to wear one when administering medication on the drugs rounds at the care home - the only problem is that the residents don't bother reading it and her staff just ignore it and continually 'pester' her for advice etc.
It could work in hospitals if there is sufficient staff on duty to do the other tasks - answer call bells, lift patients etc.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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just think drugs administerung is important
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Very much so Keith - mistakes cost lives but these tabards can only work if the hospitals have sufficient staff to deal with patients other daily needs.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I do agree and think iv answered the same question enough times now lol
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Jan Higgins
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In the picture it shows two sisters and a nurse in the background wearing the 'do not disturb' tabard, why are there so many, one or two at the most did the drug round last time I was in a hospital.
I know it was possibly a set-up promotional picture so why give the bad impression that all nurses are unavailable at the same time.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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like you say jan it is clearly a promotional picture
usualy theres just 2 doing the rounds to make sure of no mistakes
times of day
dont usually see to much non caring, this is usually done at same time
from what iv seen in canters and margate hospitals
and one london hospital
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting stuff about adminstering drugs.
in a chemist the dispenser works away from distractions and even then the pharmacist still checks before handing anything out.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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MY POINT EXACTLY howard
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#71 sums it up. It is easy to have ideas, even good ideas, but the test is do they work......are there sufficient resources.......is there someone with the drive and committment to make sure it works?
These tabards where tested for only 5 weeks on only 2 wards in one hospital during which time the interuptions fell from 6 to 5 per round ! hardly a credable sample size or reduction in interuptions to impliment a roll out across the NHS , there was a "small " reduction in errors , figures not given . I would be more intrested to see how many shifts ran short staffed over that period , what the percentage of regular staff on holiday or off sick where and the proportion of trained staff on duty was . Without all these variables taken into consideration its impossible to judge how effective or not they are , I would find them completly off putting as a patient . I do not like them at all
Also given the risk of cross infection , how are they laundered between useage by different staff ?
Exactly - an idea, however good (I make no judgement here!) is set up to fail without the resources and the will to make it succeeed. And success needs to be better defined as well.
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