howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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souds like another winter of discotent looming.
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Brian.
Is that a gig at a campsite "discotent"
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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garyc,tut tut now.you no wot i mean.
if the was yes it would be either full of hippies or striking miners and coppers having a tea break while grooving to music.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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oops posted on the wrong thread.
Keith Sansum1
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put up with what you have the tories will say
or we will chuck you on the dole to
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Ross Miller
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KS is it really just the Tories? Seems to me that is how all 3 sectors have worked for the last 30 years irrespective of the label the government has stuck on its lapel
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and we need to save it not dismantle it
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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We need to maintain the concept of free healthcare at the point of need
We need to constantly question the mechanisms and process we use to deliver that healthcare and ensure that we get the most cost effective way of doing so.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROSS;
The undertones of what you post concern me, i fully support free health care, and yes should also look at make sure value for money,
the concern would be tories would say privatisation of parts of the service is fine
just look at the catering, shambles.
i could give you a number of times i have visited family/friends to see how that didnt work.
we need to be honest and say keep health care hatrd fought for free via the nhs
yes by all means look at costs
but im sure barryw(sure he will comment)doesnt want the present nhs and rather dismantle it
of course in reality we have all those private companies waiting in the wings to come in and rip us off
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i suspect it is much more about a power struggle between government and the unions than anything to do with improving the service to patients.
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I have never understood why healthcare should be free for people who can afford to pay for it.
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If some people had to pay for it, there would not be so much wastage of prescription medicines ?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there are too many repeat prescriptions issued needlessly, however on the subject of the better off paying for healthcare they would argue that they have paid enough tax and national insurance to cover their treatment.
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Funnily enough today I went to pay my surgery for a recent visit to the Doctor
cost £38 pounds. This results in very few missed appointments. There are sliding scales, FREE for unemployed and OAP,s
£18 for workers
and £38 for mine coz I'm lazy and dont receive any benefits.
I also needed a represcription = £3 but I get free drugs...not recreational ones I hasten to add for which I have to pay normal street prices..
Marek
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What Ross said is correct - there is one thing only important here and that is the delivery of top quality healthcare to everyone in the UK with the very best outcomes regardless of their wealth and income.
What is totally unimportant is who delivers that healthcare. It does not matter at all if it is a charity or private company except in my personal experience private healthcare providers are far, far better and more efficient than the NHS.
The NHS is an old out of date monolithic concept for healthcare delivery that has failed to match the outcomes of other systems.
It must change. Yes Keith, I would get rid of it all-together and I would separate the providers of healthcare from those who fund it with the latter becoming insurance companies. And, yes - this can be done in a manner that applies the principals I set out in the first paragraph.
Sadly though as long as a proper debate is stifled because politicians have to kow-tow to the NHS we will never solve the problem, so those who cannot afford private medical cover will have to put up with the second rate NHS, because however hard working and dedicated its employees are they work in a system that is not fit for purpose.
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Everyone should read this book:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5261610-pure-white-and-deadly
It has been out of print for years But I have a copy if anyone would like to borrow it.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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My personal view for what it is worth, is that the NHS as currently constituted is an unmitigated disaster.
We need to
A) recognise that the worst people to dictate how healthcare in this country is run and organised in this country are the Department of Health
B) recognise that the second worst set of people to run it are politicians
C) realise that consultants are not gods, nor are they business people
D) redefine the role of the Department of Health as defining policy and minimum standards of care BUT NOT measuring those
E) break up the monolithic NHS into much smaller local healthcare providers with a small number of regional or national centres of excellence that provide teaching services, accreditation and speciality care
F) gear services to the needs of the local population and allow them to be controlled by a mix of local people and local healthcare professionals
G) acknowledge that the actual entity that delivers this is less important than the actual delivery - so it could be a local trust, a community interest body, a charity or even a private company
H) Finally accept that the days of the open cheque are long gone and like everything else healthcare needs to operate within the budget it is set
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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agree with some of what you say ross
to much there for the politicians to even think about touching your ideas
barryw;
in the past you have made accusations that i misquote you, knowing your view on dismantling the N.H.S. this time i let you say it yourself,
although i don't agree with imost of what you say i do at least know where your coming from, and you are consistent.
general;
yes we should look at costs of the NHS and how its run, but also look at
free delivery should only be for those unable to afford it
that would surely save millions.
we have seen private catering in hospitals a total disaster
some hospitals taking it back in house because of its poor quality
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