Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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i'm happy for you to explain then vic
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Jacqui, to be honest I think that is what some posters (me included at times) might be thinking but they are not quite so aggressive with their posts, yours is verging on rudeness.
Vic is well meaning and passionate about his ideas, however misguided some of us might think he is at times.
I see the posts have gone, mine should as well
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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tried to find the aggressive posts looks like they all gone.
did you remove them jacqui?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ray, on this Forum Paul W wrote the very words which I put in quotation marks, and they were addressed to Vic, several weeks before the November 2010 consultation period on Whitfield building planning even started.
My point is about Democracy: when I see that a population (local or national) is not asked: do you want this major decision to go through or not? .. but told: it will happen whether you like it or not!...
then I will side for that which I believe in, namely Democracy.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not think they were aggressive but anyway they are gone,but I am sorry if some of my posts do upset you,but that does not mean that I will give up or stop saying what I think is right.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the second paragraph in post 22 may sum things up.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, please note that, if the turnout in the local elections was about 35-40%, then you have already missed out something in your explanations about Whitfield having said yes to the building-scheme.
Secondly, Conservative MP Charlie Elphicke has been absolutely against the urbanisation plans, so to vote Tory does not mean necessarily to be in favour of DDC's planning.
Thirdly, Labour is fully in favour of the building plans, which originated under a Labour government, so the minority which did vote in the locals in Whitfield did not vote Labour.
Incidentally, Keith, may-be you could tell us what the turnout at Whitfield was at the locals. Was it 100%
or less than that?
DDC has clearly stated that the building will go ahead, and the people were clearly against it, as too in Sholden and Deal concerning other building plans.
So after that, they were told to accept it and just decide if they want 6000 houses this way or that way, and that if they do not "participate" they will get them anyway and in both ways!
Keith, pleae believe me, Labour's version of "democracy", which DDC fully backs, is something I do not believe in, hence my full support for Vic on this issue, who seems to be more to the point than Mr. Elphicke, even though I would like to see Charlie too get involved in his stated desire not to see Britain being furhter congested with urbanisation. This I read on Charlie's blog.
My view is, we don't have any natural population increase. When we need houses, then we should build them, when we have a natural population increase.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
i may have to read your post a few times to understand it, so many different issues in it all jumbled up, could be me though.
vic
nobody has said that your posts are aggressive.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I understand that Howard,I am not upset in anyway, you have a job to do and you do it.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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well Howard once again you have deleted my views. That's fine, it seems some people can say whatever they like and you allow it but for some reason I'm not allowed to express my views. I am tired of Matcham ruining this forum and for that reason I would like you to cancel me as a member because I will not be reading or contributing any longer. I am very angry about this but if you and Paul are prepared to risk the credibility of this otherwise excellent forum, which I have been a member of for many years, then I want no more to do with it.
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am sorry that Jacqui feels that way,please let her express her views in the way she is happy with,Thank you.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
ALEXANDER;
Please forgive me for not defending the labour party, thats for them to do so.
but to just reply to your post;
1; I Have no idea of the turnout in the whitfield election, nor does it make any
difference
2; Yes good old charlie boy, will be interesting how he squares the circle
3; wont defend the labour party, thats for them to do
4; answered that in number 1
General points, yes the previous govt did say so many houses should be built in the District, but the local tories gave the impression most would be in whitfield even though they had alternatives, and since getting into govt havre continued to support the plan to build.
And cllr watkins supports the build as does cllr walkden
We are about to enter a population vast increase, so probably do need some houses.
anyway wont go on to long
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Alexander at #24 you're saying now that it wasn't DDC but Paul W who wrote - "the plans will go ahead whether you like it or not, to the last brick, and not one less, but just say whether you want a a thump in the left eye or in the right eye".
Do you think you could provide a reference to that as it sounds very unlikely to be a verbatim quotation?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Far be it for me to defend cllr watkins, but being fair to him, he was under the impression that the govt were not for moving, and there wasn't an alternative, so best you put them where you want rather than have the situation imposed on you.
But i'm sure cllr watkins will comment further
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ray, alright, the quotation marks referred to Paul Watkins are those which state that there is nothing you can do about it.
The other quotation marks which I attributed to DDC were not meant as such, but were my way of interpreting their attitude on this issue.
May-be there is a grammatical word for this latter kind of quotation mark, or may-be not, in which latter case I present my apologies to DDC by way of this thread, as obviously I didn't mean the quotation marks in the phrase which you mentioned to be the literal wording of DDC, but unfortunately was interpreted as having done so.
My apoligies to DDC.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Well said Alex
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, thanks for understanding my post to you.
Sorry Howard that you found it hard.
The reason why this topic seems so passionate is that we are talking of doubling Dover's population by way of plans to build 6,000 houses in Whitfield, notwithstanding that, according to the evidence given in the windows of the estate agents, there must be hundreds of empty houses in Dover anyway, possibly many hundreds.
Again, I apoligise to DDC for the misplaced quotation marks.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In a perfect world we would all like to see clean and open public toilets,flower beds in bloom,clean streets,less development in green areas,more jobs,less crime and I suppose thriving docks ,coal mines etc but it aint going to happen. And Vic can climb on as many Persil,Daz and other soap boxes as he likes but until he moves into the real world he will achieve nothing and lose any respect others may have for him.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Vic has a sound basis of support on this issue, and I know he'll continue to pursue his vision of social justice.
Vic...
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I've only heard your support Alexander.
The building of the houses (and school, community centre, doctors surgery etc. etc.) at Whitfield will go ahead; the Whitfield Parish Council and the Whitfield Action Group know this and accept it but what they need and should have, is the best possible way for it all to be developed. This is why there was so much effort put into the final SPD (Supplementary Planning Document).
This is a development that will take around 25 years, so it has to be done carefully and in phases, not just random.
All of those people's concerns have been taken into account, even as to when the school and other non-residential buildings will be built.
There will be plenty of open spaces and a range of good quality housing.
Roger