Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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you did,if we can still can smoke in pubs kieth,please let us know which ones they are.many thanks.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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This issue is probably the biggest facing the economy and the very future of Britain. As David Cameron said all those years ago (2008 to be more precise):
"The era of big, bossy, state interference, top-down lever pulling is coming to an end."
Some are suggesting that the minimum price is a bad thing but the warning signs were there when they enforced the smoking ban under Tony Blair's glorious leadership. People were warned that they would then come for the drinkers, the eaters, the unfit, those who are unable to think for themselves (think Leverson) so it's not as if there was no warning.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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taking vic's argument to its logical conclusion if they trebled the price of petrol and doubled road tax it would stop dangerous driving.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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@ howard i like that one.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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philip
when the smoking ban came in the british medical association proudly announced that they would turn to the more serious problem of obesity.
i suppose when they have made the overweight totally miserable they will turn on people who wear woolly hats.
that german pastor knew what he was talking about.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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i cant see it working my self,but might be proved wrong.and of course there is the famous u-turn.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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howard
whilst i understand your view
there is also the question of the costs to us all when people are unable to control there own lives for whatever reason
theres quite a big argument looming on this one
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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it would be nice if we were allowed to control our own lives keith. everyone should be allowed to eat, drink, smoke, gamble. avoid exercise etc if doesn't harm anybody else.
this cobbled together government is proving every bit as self righteous as their predecessors.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
to apoint your correct
but then theres a cost on NHS costs of people who have abused themselves
that we all pay towards
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I must confess I was just kidding. This latest wheeze from right honourable member for planet idiot, David Cameron, is more proof that he is not a true conservative. A real conservative would not pass laws which closely resemble the type of legislation put forward and passed by curtain twitching labour governments.
It's based on flawed evidence and the models they propose we copy are a far distant galaxy from the culture here in Britain. But we are going through the most enormous economic problem at the moment and it's an ideal opportunity for the treasury to steal more money from us through the taxation system.
The only aspect I really enjoy, I mean really, really enjoy is the whining and harping from fine, upstanding, right-thinking, normal members of the public who wet their collective knickers in their call for a smoking ban now that their favourite tipple is to become more expensive. It's bleeding brilliant!
No it's really, really brilliant for these paragons of virtue who positively hate the smell of smoke, a disgusting habit, makes my clothes smell, vile people who should be denied health care, I'm so perfect my body is a temple twerps are now faced with the prospect of going down to the local cheap booze outlet on the high street or dark, forbidding industrial estates and ask the big shaven headed neerdowell " Excuse me but, erm, do you by any chance stock any reasonable wines ......heeeer!?"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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kieth,the smokers,drinkers and obese pay tax to the goverment,as do car drivers and 99% of workers and corperations.so where is the problem.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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maybe they could put a tax on tofu and sun dried tomatoes just to even things out?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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- Posts: 23,940
true,and dried sultarners.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I cannot believe the stupidity of the Tory party, they cut tax's for the rich
Then up the tax on drink , price up tax up
Smuggling of drink some of it dangerous will increase,
home brewing ,
People will not stop drinking they enjoy it .
If you won't to control bad beaver from drunks on the streets give the copps some balls and let them get stuck in to the problem ,like the Spanish and Belgium's
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just when we had got over the smuggling of cheap booze we get this bombshell. illegal stills will spring up bringing danger to the people distilling and the end user.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
The argument that us casual drinking fatties cost the NHS a lot of money always makes me laugh when you consider that the vast majority of those in a doctor's waiting room and queuing up to collect their prescriptions are not overweight.
I have not seen a doctor for a couple of years and I only saw him then because he wanted to see me rather than have me go to the nurse for my unwanted six monthly check up.
We are definitely becoming a nanny state.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The cheapest pear cider is 60p a can, and that's low alcohol (3.5%).
A can of high volume lager at 20p seems suspicious to me.
As for super-alcoholics, anyone serving them to people already drunk needs a sanity check.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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you can get lager 20p a can in supermarkets
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I don't doubt that, Keith, but suspicious is the quality, in my view.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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those buying the 20p cans are not worried over qualified only about getting wrecked
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