Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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10 January 2011
19:4888494Howard the 58 Chinese people who lost their lives so tragically were also innocents
I do agree that the victims of the Herald deserve a more prominent memorial than the window in St Marys, but also feel as others do that a memorial to Operation Fuller is equally valid.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
19:5288497St Pauls was a memorial but is not a window,but a painting taking up one wall ,it is very well done. Yes one on the seafront would also be very good to.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
20:0188501of course it was a tragedy ross, but they were knowingly engaging in criminal activity.
memorials are usually reserved for heroes or innocents.
i suppose that the lorry driver is free now and living a normal life with not a thought about the victims.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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10 January 2011
20:0588502Were they?
Or were they like many duped into believing that they would be got in legally, parted from their cash and then given the "in the truck or f'off" option?
What happened to "innocent until proven guilty by a court of law" or is the court of tabloid opinion all that now matters?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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10 January 2011
20:2988506I would suggest a monument to the British sailors who sailed the seas, reaching as far as Canada, Australia and New Zealand, and wherever their ships took them. A monument to centuries of British sailors.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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11 January 2011
00:1188539Which office has the planning application been made to? I wish to make my proposal for another memorial. In fact, people in Dover may have alternative views as to a memorial, so it would be fair to consult the public and find out.
There are many war memorials in Dover commemorating the fallen service men and women of two World Wars, and quite rightly, but perhaps in the year 2011 it could seem far-fetched to put another one up.
One alternative is that which I proposed above, commemorating centuries of men who dedicated years of their lives to sea-faring, and there may well be other possibilities too for something to commemorate, such as King Ethelbert of Kent who in the sixth century, while prince, married a French princess and through her later converted to Christianity.
Of-course there could be other proposals too, so if we could have the address who to write to, then any interested here on the Forum in some other commemorative monument could put forward a proposal to the appropriate office, and may-be they'd like to ask us all in Dover what we think.
Thanks Paul Scotchie if you can give us the address
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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11 January 2011
09:1588558DDC planning
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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11 January 2011
15:2288572Here's the planning application -
http://www.dover.gov.uk/planning/applic_net/detail.aspx?systemkey=216240
If you want to put up another memorial there's just the small matter of raising the funding first!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 January 2011
15:5888579that link doesn't seem to be working.
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11 January 2011
16:1088582Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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11 January 2011
16:3488584Hmm, worked for me but Phil's doesn't, just get a grey background!
Might be easiest to go to
http://www.dover.gov.uk/planning/Search_net/search.aspx and search for DOV/10/01098
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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11 January 2011
18:0088593Thanks for the information, I'll send my proposal in soon.
I suppose the funding for a monument to British sailors over the centuries could be raised among people in Kent who have served on ships. It shouldn't be too expensive really.
It could fit in well and enhance trust in Dover Port as one of Britain's most important ports, past, present and future.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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11 January 2011
19:2988617I'd also like to see something on the seafront that helps shape our future, as well as remembering the past. We seem to be rather good at the latter, but poor at the former! That's one of the reason why I personally think a cable car to the castle would be a good idea. A symbol of a new, forward looking Dover, that is also proud of its history.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 January 2011
19:4588620i certainly am in favour of the proposed cable car, i thought the plan was for it to run from market square to the castle though.
there are so many opinions on this one, cruise terminal/castle, the old territorial army building/castle etc.
wherever it starts from it would attract a lot of interest and bring people into dover.
Jan Higgins
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11 January 2011
20:2888625Sorry but I think the cable car will end up as another white elephant. Most visitors arrive at the castle by car or coach, how many will want to visit Dover town with nothing to attract them.
You need something for those that are not interested in history and all I can think of at the moment is the swimming pool.
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Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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11 January 2011
22:1088636An iconic project like the cable car could, on the other hand, be the sort of high profile project that has the potential to kick-start interest in developing the town centre. It's the old chicken-and-egg scenario, but I think it's time for Dover to start taking some risks. We've got nothing else to lose, and there has to be a starting point for regeneration.
Of course, if the cable car were to become a reality you can "engineer" how people arrive at the castle by either (a) reducing parking, or (b) increase the prices!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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11 January 2011
22:5388639You can engineer the parking but where in the town would they park, increasing the prices would put some people off. The only way the cable car would benefit the town would be to create an incentive for castle visitors to come into town.
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Brian Dixon
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12 January 2011
07:1488645how many white elephants dose dover need or the need to support,this is how i see the cable car.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 January 2011
08:2188646Once built it would be run privately, so no cost to local people.
The Town anchor point will be down near De Bradelei, so some spectacular views, but obviously the commercial viability must be at the forefront of any decision.
We do have iconic historical sites - the Castle and the White Cliffs, some would argue the Western Heights too and if the National War Memorial Project on top of the Western Heights comes off, then we could have two new iconic features, linking the present to the past.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 January 2011
08:2988647How true Roger.
The cable car must been seen as part of a regeneration package rather than in isolation. The big question is when will that package come together and when will we see significant progress on the ground.