Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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12 January 2011
10:1788650Sorry to seem such a wet blanket Roger, but a lot of people are not interested in history we need something in the town area for them. Out of interest has De Bradelei encouraged visitors into the town if not being the anchor point will not be much of a benefit.
Barry, all I can say is what regeneration package there is no sign of such an event happening in the near future.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 January 2011
11:3588655For some reason Folkestone are having a Mermaid statue
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-12169204Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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12 January 2011
11:3988657Let's hope it attracts lots of visitors like the one in Copenhagen.
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12 January 2011
17:3988696From the very outset of starting our campaign to move the Miners Statue, it was always our intention to help replace it with something more appropriate to Dover. Having worked on the Herald, I was particularly interested in having a memorial for that terrible tragedy. We worked hard with certain people to no avail; we even tried to make it a memorial to all civilian lives lost in the channel, with no joy. We then teamed up with the person who was organising the Merchant Navy Statue, with the intention to replace that with the Miner, all went quiet and then it appeared further down the seafront. The day before we moved the statue DHB were presented with the anchor from the vessel being salvaged from the south entrance and was told it might be placed on the concrete plinth we left behind. I hope something appropriate is placed there soon.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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12 January 2011
18:4688706Now that the thread has come back from a cable-car proposal to a memorial or monument theme, it will be interesting to see if DDC will take into account what different people might like to see as a monument on the Seafront.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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12 January 2011
18:5088709After some very expensive consultation I suspect DDC will come up with something completely different that costs a fortune which very few people actually want.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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12 January 2011
19:0388711Quite right, Jan! I think exactly the same.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 January 2011
19:3088716jan and alex. the council will not be paying for anything.
they can only faciltate things, private money will bring us anything new.
alex
the cable car and memorial are seperate issues, the cable car is intendede to bring in visitors, whilst any memorial is mainly for us.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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12 January 2011
20:0788722Surely DDC have to approve whatever replaces the miner regardless of who pays for it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 January 2011
21:0388730maybe they do, though i would have thought the harbour board would have had more of a say.
either way will not cost the council tax payer.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 January 2011
21:0488731Yes, as at the start of the thread it is a planning application with DDC. I see no reason why they shouldn't approve it and probably will.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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12 January 2011
22:2888736Yes I know Howard that the cable car is a separate issue, which is why I din't comment on it on the thread but welcomed back the original topic about a memorial or monument on the Seafront.
Paul, I see no reason why we in Dover have to have another was memorial such as has been suggested, without any public view being taken into account as to what should be placed there.
Eighteen British pilotes lost their lives in an attempt to prevent three German war-ships reaching naval bases in Germany. So! I saw a plaque dedicated to this on Eastern Heights; it's interesting and deserves it's place there, which is where the guns were situated which also tried to prevent the Channel Dash.
In Dover there are memorials on the Sea Front to the British service men and women who fought in the Second World War. Now in the year 2011, with all the economic turmoil in Britain and in Europe, and Germany (especially Germany) and Britain and France, and may-be a few other northern coiuntries in Europe, in deep economic trouble and bailing out other bankrupt European economies, do you really think that our generation today is so dedicated to another war memorail for a war that finished long ago?
May-be not that many people want what you suggest, and may-feel we have other things to think about too and to commemorate. May-be not that many people have such bad feelings against the Germans as a People in the year 2011 and don't want to equiperate every day of our life to a war against Germany!
I don't agree with the EU, but I certainly do believe in friendship with our European neighbours and in good economic and cultural relations, and in looking a aspects of cooperation and good neighbourly friendship, and in looking forwards to the future and not just backwards!
Immagine the Serbs and Croatians sitting there for the next 50 years putting up war memorials about each-other! Many among them may also like to have different and positive sentiments to think about too Are there no other aspects of life that you can think of for a memorial or monument on our Seafront?
As a dedicated Chrisitian, I do not follow up on your personal view about war and war memorials everywhere, I have different views in life to just war, war, war!
Also, I read a few words of the link above in the thread, got no further than the second phrase, saw some pictures, and reckon that the metal of all those defunct war-planes could bring in quite some money as scrap metal. I am not at war with Germany, Paul, and our Country is not at war with Germany.
Also, on Western Heights, I like to see the British and French as Allies, and am extremely glad that the French never landed in Britain in Napoleon's days and were never combated on Western Heights, that neither we nor they lost lives in Dover in that period.
Yes, my version of Churches and the Fair Lady Britannia is not necessareily the same as other peoples' views, but it does uphold peace and prospeprity and a forwards-looking attitude to our European neighbours. My view of the Light Tower Church overlooking Dover and the Sea is not based on a backwards looking war that goes on and on and on.
May-be you should read a little about how many German cities got bombed and blasted to smithereens in the latter part of the Second World War and call it quits, Paul! They suffered enough! They've been punished enough. Enough, Paul! I have had enough of it!
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13 January 2011
17:4188797That's a rather insulting posting there Alexander, will save a proper response until later.....
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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13 January 2011
19:0188800Very sad Alexander if you think commemorating our history and remembering people who put their lives on the line to protect our country is condoning and promoting war. People learn from history and we should promote it so that it doesn't happen again.
I think you will find that so called 'peaceful' religion is the cause of most wars around the world....!!!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
19:1388805i doubt that paul, usually warmongering governments cause them, sometimes hiding behind the cloak of their countries main faith.
having said that, i still do not understand the post from alex.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
19:4088816The only thing that I can agree with is I do not think we need another war memorial unless it commemorates a special event that is pertinent to Dover and it is not commemorated anywhere else.
Alex does have a tendency to ramble on in his posts so his meaning is quite often lost or I loose interest before the end.
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Brian Dixon
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13 January 2011
21:2188841howard,i think its a lot of both,politics and relegion dont really mix.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
21:5588851brian
in the last 100 years we have had 2 world wars, korea, vietnam, the gulf war, conflagrations in africa and yugoslavia, genocide in cambodia.
that is just off of the top of my head.
not one was down to religious beliefs.
not one was religion based.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
07:3088871howard,i think you will find it in the background.
take ww2,hitler and the consertration camps [jews].
yugoslavia,ethnic cleansing [christian/muslim].
gulf war/afganastan/iraq,another crusade [again christian/muslim].
and of course not forgeting n/ireland,evan though politicly motovated fell to religion beliefs.[sorry bern/paul]to bring that one up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
12:5588898disagree brian, the nazis were simply racist, yugoslavia was all about ethnicity.
the ones in the middle east have been about firstly oil, then the allaged weapons of mass destruction.
afghanistan seems to be about terrorist training camps.