Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 761- Registered: 10 Jul 2012
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Am I missing something here?
Clearly Lorraine did a great job in 1992 getting this area the protection it has now - if she hadn't I doubt there would be anything left to discuss.
Since then WHPS (Paul) and others have done huge amounts to limit decay, improve and raise public awareness.
All parties concerened have now made their objections to the CGI proposal public so WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
Everyone wants a similar aim and by putting together the combination of skills they have stand a much better chance of achieving that aim.
Question - what makes Farthingloe an 'Arthurian' valley?
Note - I too have seen these 'support' letters mentioned earlier. They appear to have all come from the same source and just have a box at the top for people to fill in their name and address by hand. By my reckoning this makes them a petition so should be registered as one supporting comment not 50! - or, of course, the 'objection' petition could be listed as 460?ish individual objections?? If not legally wrong that surely goes against the spirit of the public consultation system?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"Question - what makes Farthingloe an 'Arthurian' valley?"
Rather confused about that one too - last time I checked King Arthur and 'Engleesh K-niggets" were made up ??????
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 761- Registered: 10 Jul 2012
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'Engleesh K-niggets" - do you get them from the takeaway in Market Square?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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never heard the term "arthurian valley" before this thread started.
i always thought the legendary king knocked about in the west country and wales.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Same here Howard, I suppose it is a way of getting peoples attention.
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SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
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In my opinion, you will always weaken your argument if you start incorporating facts obtained from fairytales.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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that depends if the fairytails where grimm or not.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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very droll brian, king arthur is not a fairy tale as such just never been proven that he existed.
take a look at dover castle at night, could well be camelot.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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more costalot than camelot howard.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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well certainly this issue wont die down,
its rather a shame that a few objectors have taken to feel that they are the only ones able to save the western heights for the future.
i'm sure lara cant fit comfatably with this, as she has caLLed for all groups to work together(as i have been doing since this thread started)
it doesnt realy matter who did what in the past, its now about the present proposal, and the future of the western heights.
what you can do is get involved in the mud slinging/self praise
or as lara and i have said recently you can all work togther to get the best deal possible.
please dont let this run on like the hospital issue, where everyone argued, but no one won
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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slightly different issue here keith, the hospital fiasco was a disaster of mammoth proportions as egos overrode the benefits to dover.
the present feeling is that hardly anyone is in favour of the cgi proposals, so we wait expectantly for them to come up with a thought out set of plans that we can then seriously debate.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Careful now Howard, next you'll be telling us that the Pharos was originally Sauron's abode and that the 'Secret of Farthingloe' thread is true in its entirety.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There definitely is a potential to attract visitors to Western Heights and Farthingloe.
Personally I think the World War concrete left-overs above Fathingloe could be dismantled, as they really are ugly.
The Napoleonic defences, made of brick, could be open to visitors, for example with guided tours. I's envisage a visitors centre at Western Heights, which could also share a community centre for the local residents, and a separate visitors centre for Farthingloe.
Farthingloe could have two characteristics: one as nature reserve, the other - in accordance with its "Farm" status, as an agricultural show-piece.
This could be interesting for visitors, and could include a farming museum, and of-course some areas for refreshments.
Little Farthingloe Farm to an extent incorporates this aspect, but it seems to be closed oftentimes.
Having been on another visit to Farthingloe today, this time over the Heights, I really am enchanted by its sheer beauty.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You are proposing to desecrate a fairly rare almost complete second world war anti-aircraft gun battery that helped protect our country in our hour of need... hmmmm..... and how much heritage is CGI planning to damage?
Been nice knowing you :)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
whilst i appreciate the hospital fiasco was slightly different
the groups involved (both for and against) are in danger of infighting
and a few who object maybe not getting the best for the western heights.
lara who opposes , has more recently made it clear that working together is the only way forward
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, if you're referring to the site I came across this morning, it had no guns, was a completely ugly looking cement slab mess with obscene words scribbled about, and I'm sure no-one, and I mean absolutely no-one, would want to visit it.
At the very least, the the obscene words would frighten people away, adding to the desolation of the cement mess. Very depressing!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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No guns on the Heights and a lot of people don't like the bricks but both are just as important part of our heritage and just as important as each other.
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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If none of you know Dover's legends, then I suggest that you attend my talk on the subject.
Besides dismissing an important legend that has been around since the 14th century in Dover's history, next you will be telling me that there never was a Battle of Barham Downs or that Malory never mentioned Sir Gawain's head in Dover Castle - actually St Mary-in-Castro?
Dover's history is pure magic - it goes back further than any other place in this country. Besides the Castle and Western Heights, we have the Roman Painted House, the Classis Britannica; buried remains all up the Dour valley. We also have legends ... they are an important part of our history. So important that we should be capitalising on them.
Instead, what do we have - charlatan derision and ridicule.
When will people of this town wake up and utilise our assets?????
Lorraine
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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these speech marks totally confuse me, much better if people simply reply to who has posted by prefacing the post with the name.
much friendlier too.
anyway back to the post from lorraine, not being born and bred here i would be interested to know more about the legends.
