I didnt realise that Howard was responsible for the planning and implementation of the war memorial ! How does he get the time . Will you be selling tickets from the information booth on the prom Howard ?
Come to think of it , Ive got half a can of emulsion and a pair of secatures so thats thats renovations at the Drop Redoubt sorted as well
#420. Chris, I am losing the will to live just lately.....!!
Jan Higgins
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, you write DTIZ, but first of all Burlington House would need come down.
Although if it does, the multistory car park should collapse like a pack of cards through sheer impact.
DTIZ is in itself a whole set of projects that'd cost many, many millions of pounds.
Then we have to see if DTIZ will enhance business in other Dover areas, or if a commercial DTIZ would not take away existing business from the current shops operating in Dover.
I know that when Morrisons opened, Iceland and COOP lost out on my purchases by about 75%.
Remember that at the Castle there is a Naafi restaurant. People ordering beans on toast there are hardly likely to stop over in la Salle Verte in the Town Centre for the same.
So if you have a caravan on Western Heights supplying fried sausages, the customers won't buy these a second time in the town.
The whole equation needs looking into,
My advice is: wait for B.H. to come down. If we achieve that, then wait for DTIZ to go up.
Then see what happens. Only then will you be able to make estimations on a W.H. project.
As it stands now, there are too many development plans on the table at one time.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Not going to explain things any more !!! As I said I only kick started this to get some views on the memorial from other people...
Been nice knowing you :)
Im in favour of the war memorial after a very helpful poster ? Chris ? explained it on here .
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Very much in favour of the National War Memorial for all the reasons I have gone into so many times.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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I am in favour as well.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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My sympathies Paul!
Never give up...
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Alex, you will be pleased to know that Iceland are still doing good business, always busy when I go in there.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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I went there today, Chris.
One reason why I started going back to COOP is because they close at 10 PM, and often in Summer I work to 9 PM, when even Morrisons close.
In favour of the memorial! Most definitely.
Brian Dixon
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like wise to the war memorial.
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Paul, I think I made my feelings quite plain on the WM at the beginning of the thread - opposed to the memorial, especially in the proposed format. Again reasons were explained earlier.
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Oh yes sorry thanks. Lorraine ?
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Hi Paul
Have been away seeing my grandchild. The sad thing is that due to the lack of good prospects in our area many of our children, on leaving University, move elsewhere. What else is of interest is that the places where they move to are managing to keep their identity - and not just by the activities of 'old folk'.
Dover is in danger of becoming a 'bedroom town' particularly if the Western Heights/ Farthingloe/ Whitfield developments go ahead. These, in the US, are places where people sleep and keep their possessions but there is no community spirit.
Albeit, the question you raise is the proposed memorial project on Western Heights. Over this, I have mixed feelings - more to do with where it is sited/format etc. - so I am not totally opposed. Regarding 'format', having a daughter who served in Bosnia, Iraq etc., if it goes ahead, I trust it will be extended to include all the conflicts since the end of WWII and Korea. As an historian, I trust that personnel who were once stationed on Western Heights will be included.
As I have stated many times, it is housing I am totally against - once one house is build then the precedence is set for more and there is little in the planning laws - as they stand - that can be done about it.
Of note, I have had an e-mail from Mike Dawson - DDC Planning boss, who has confirmed that the affordable housing policy would apply and also that the usual approach would be not to create enclaves of affordable housing but blend it in the location under discussion
Finally I am concerned about the sweeteners for the Drop Redoubt - if the housing and hotel are given the go ahead. The sweeteners should be up front. Lack of finance on behalf of CGI is, in my opinion, merely an excuse. It would appear that at least one backer is mega-rich.
Lorraine
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I'm afraid a list of the personnel at the Western Heights listed on the memorial would be impossible Lorraine. This is an area I am researching, and can state that no-one holds this infomation. Not the museum or even the National Archives. The closest one could potentially get would be a list of Battalions and even that becomes tough, and especially prior to 1900. Battalions were posted sometimes for very short periods, often in transit, and the records are fragmentary. The Battalion records that do exist tend to list officers and not the enlisted personnel.
As far as I can tell, there were no service deaths from WW1 caused by enemy action as the Heights was never bombed. On the other hand, a list of service deaths from WW2 from the Heights is possible. Names and details I have identified I send to Maggie for inclusion on the DWMP website and update her regularly. These, by default, would be included on the memorial anyway.
Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Hi Phil
Are you saying that the proposed war memorial is for WWII casualties? Or for those personnel who were killed during WWII at Western Heights? Or what?
Lorraine
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